Farkas

On 05/11/2023 at 12:52, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

Thank you for sharing your opinion. But I will trust Demir because he is an expert on Ottoman awards and anything else associated with them.

Of course the sober me would have known better than to stick my nose in!

It was an interesting subject to have a read up on however, the changing of a countries calendar system and not just once.

Cheers both

tony 🍻

On 05/11/2023 at 07:41, Christian1962 said:

@Tony:

 

Please mind following, if you would construct a medal bar:

 

1. the "Jubiläumskreuz 1908" would have a wrong ribbon. For an officer it would be white with a red stripe on both sides. Same for the "Jubiläumsmedaille 1898" - the military version would have a full red ribbon.

 

2. "Tapferkeitsmedaille" would be wrong too. An officer owning a peacetime "Signum Laudis" from Franz Joseph could not earn a "Bronzene" oder "Kleine silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille" in WW1, because they were just for enlisted men, NCOs and ensigns.

 

3. With the "Kriegserinnerungsmedaille" (instituted in 1933) and the "Tiroler Landesdenkmünze" (instituted in 1928) it would be a interwar medal bar.

 

4. Referring the Karl-Signum-Laudis: I would think that there were no issued medals with a red ribbon. I have been reading through all Verlautbarungsblätter from WW1 and can´t remember any awards with a red ribbon. There were just few from Franz Joseph which are documented. But you never know... it would have been a very rare exeption.

 

Regards

 

Christian

Thanks Christian,

your insight is always appreciated.

Talk of the different ribbon for the military reminded me that there was a subtle difference to the designs of the Civil & Military medal. 
 

I learned from a Gent on here before that one has AVST, the other has AVSTR. and I’m pretty sure that the ones with AVST are the Civil and that is what mine here has…

So I think I’ll put them like this for now

Cheers Gents

tony 🍻

On 08/10/2023 at 00:26, Rebekah Thomson said:

Well I found this the other day..in my grandfather's old things... .I know it's original as they come.. so it may help to compare with? 

Very kind of you to help Rebekah but unfortunately there isn’t a picture for us to see, if you see this reply and still feel inclined I’d enjoy seeing your grandfathers badge…

cheers

tony 🍻

On 21/10/2023 at 20:48, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

But wasn't the Ottoman Empire using the Rumi calendar, which was realigned to the Gregorian calendar in February 1917?

I am a bit reluctant to comment as this is new to me however after some head scratching and note making I would say that the calendar system introduced and in use from February 1917 was the realigned Rumi calendar 

Thus, after February 15, 1332 AH (February 1917 AD), the next day instead of being February 16 suddenly became March 1, 1333 AH (March 1, 1917 AD).[4] The year 1333 AH (1917 AD) was made into a year with only ten months, running from March 1 to December 31. 

and that the ‘realigned’ Rumi was the system used by the bureaucracy/officials before the old system reached 1917…

Respectfully I would go with 24 August 1917.

cheers

tony

Hello Gents,

I didn’t expect this 👇

to turn into this 👇

😁

3 hours ago, graham said:

So to answer your question, all awards of the Karl Signum Laudis medal would have been on a 'military (striped) ' ribbon.

Thanks Graham 🍻

3 hours ago, graham said:

Nice awards by the way.

🍻 It’s not often I pick up nice looking pieces, I’m more inclined to go after the ugly knocked about ones and was pleasantly surprised to get these. They were all listed separately, I hoped to get 1 or 2 not 8! Maybe because it was the end of the month or because it’s coming up to Christmas… no one else bid on any of these & I got them at a bargain price.

The ribbons are all very similar, I like to think all are related, maybe two sets…

The separate two are bronze, I must be missing a Karl Truppen Kreuz at least 👇

If they do all belong together then I’d need to add the KTK and I’m guessing something silver too 🤷‍♂️ 
it would be a good looking bar 😁

Cheers

tony 

On 01/11/2023 at 12:45, Dave Danner said:

The signature from the Standesamt looks like "Mayr".

 Thanks…

It’s so elaborate, I couldn’t see it.

tony 🍻

Hello Gents,

I have a question about the correct ribbon for a Karl Signum Laudis…

I was lucky enough to pick up a nice selection that may or may not be related, i of course prefer to think they are 😊

Included amongst it are the four below.

Both Signum Laudis came with red ribbons and the 1908 was without a ribbon. As can be seen I have replaced the red ribbon on the Karl SL.

As it was 👆 

As it is now 👇

As a rule of thumb I’ve considered the red to be a civil ribbon and the ‘bravery’ ribbon used on these to be the military ribbon.

When I checked though, the way I understood what I’ve now read is :

A red ribbon for peacetime awards.

A ‘bravery’ ribbon for wartime awards.

In that case as Karl Signum Laudis were issued 1916 onward they would all be on a wartime ribbon wouldn’t they? 🤷‍♂️
 

So… pleae can someone clarify whether Red is a ‘Civil’ or ‘In peacetime’ ribbon & was I right to swap it or should I have left it? 
 

cheers 

tony 🍻

Hello Gents,

I’ve found this page ‘in’ Scotland that has all sorts of lists and information including Indian service, officers, ww1…
 

https://digital.nls.uk

i just don’t seem able to ‘get it’ 😡

I couldn’t get a hit when searching for my guy… so I searched just the word ‘Captain’ 👇and still got ‘no hits’ 🤷‍♂️

Clearly I’m doing something wrong.

Is anyone familiar with the army lists able to help please 🤞

cheers

tony 

1 hour ago, TracA said:

Tony,

 

What great additions. I especially like the second and fifth. "Poor rabbit". Magnificent!

 

All the best,

 

Tracy

Thanks as always Tracy, tis appreciated.

tony 🍻

I couldn’t resist digging this one out, I knew there was one rabbit card in this little group , turns out there are 2. 

“ jagd auf den sonntagsbraten “

” hunting for the Sunday roast “

it gives a different perspective to this next card, not a scene of cute bunnies to this soldier writing home but instead one of a tasty dish…

Poor rabbits indeed 😁

cheers

tony 🍻

Hi Gents,

I’m pretty sure previously I found out the unit this ‘belonged’ to, one part of which had the distinction of wearing the crescent & star in gold… but annoyingly I can’t find it at the moment. 
‘Zouave’ is one that keeps popping up in my search results and that is probably the answer but I still did not find the above reference to this one’s gold insigniaI that I was looking for.
Maybe one of you Gents will know what I’m on about 🤷‍♂️

Regardless it’s a nice looking thing…

Any thoughts or information welcome as always Gents

cheers

tony 🍻

On 08/10/2023 at 01:04, Carlo said:

It will probably have been an officer who was not happy to have the same decoration as the troop and would have had it personalized, as happened with the kanonenkreuz

One of the things I like about these is the fact they were the same for all ranks but having said that this is very cool.

A bit like the aluminium version 👇  I guess this would be post war? or maybe period but made to be worn with dress uniform? Either way. I agree. Seems just a bit too flash for a simple soldiers frontline wear but who knows.

Cheers

tony 🍻

Hello Gents,

some new arrivals…

Below what I think is a lovely looking example : ’Der Tapferkeit’ , Bronze

A bronze ‘Fortitudini’

it’s most likely my imagination but… to me (I see it everywhere!) the edge looks like it has had details filed off, lots of pits and flat patches like one sees on British medals.

the 3 ‘sides’…

and an unusual, presumably ‘war metal’ one :  ‘Fortitudini’

The front is very worn but the reverse is curved inwards slightly and still sharp. It doesn’t clean up… I’ve tried.

Cheers

tony 🍻

Nice one Greg

tony🍻

Hello Gents,

cheers

tony 🍻

Hello Gents,

Although this is not my usual thing to buy I saw this, thought it was an interesting thing and I nabbed it.

I thought maybe I’d add it here because of the signature and stamp if nothing else.

cheers 

tony 

Paula, Josef

Josef Paula

8 September 1915

On 09/02/2023 at 19:10, ruiz said:

Another very common Medal :

 

Bulgarian Commemorative medal for participation in the War 1915-1918

 

Delivery document in the name of the Oberjager Herr Georg Bünte

I’ve got one of these, pristine condition… that’s the only way I’ve ever seen them (on ebay) so i’ve only  ever bought the one.

Really nice to see one with documents, it makes them more significant to me, so thank you 👍👍

cheers

tony🍻

23 hours ago, Graf said:

Hi Tony I had similar experience fie years ago  The problem is that there are people who browse on eBay and report such items to them I ha warning only They said next time my account could be temporarily suspended for 3 months

 

Be careful Cheers

I thought the self appointed eBay police might let it go for charity, but i had had an initial look for a Jewish charity to ensure the irony of it being cancelled if they saw it, wish I’d done it now… 🙃

I did a side deal with someone who had sent me an offer and the charity missed out… so sod the rules! 

I got 22! quid back so that’s half the job lot payed for already… 😊

tony 🍻

Well done Rich, you found the experts!

tony 🍻

On 22/09/2020 at 04:46, Bayern said:

Austrian Hussars by the blue collar stripe but the absence of the shoulder cord gold and black over the left shoulder of the Bluse signals Infantry .I asked about the lagermutze cavalry type because cavalrymen carried on the left side the Letters D or H followed By a number . 

when I see Bayerns posts on these older threads it reminds me how missed he is.

I thought they’d let it slide but it turns out eBay wouldn’t even though it was 100% for a PTSD charity… 🤷‍♂️

I’m gonna have to get a bit more sneaky!

tony 🍻

On 19/08/2022 at 22:51, gjw said:

Hey all, got a couple medals you don't see everyday, while not rare, nice never the less

 

Wound Medal for one wound with Hungarian War Invalid Device.  Winter & Adler (WA) Marked

 

Karl Truppenkreuz in Aluminum.  No Makers Mark

 

Best,

 

Greg

 

 

 

 

Hi Greg,

I’m still working on identifying the makers of my KTK and found this post while searching Winter & Adler.

They are the most common maker amongst the ones I have. However, unlike your wound medal, they are all marked W & A not the WA which is also attributed to Winter & Adler.

Your aluminium ktk reminded of a possible mark on my aluminium one that I had written off as a manufacturing mark and/or wishful thinking.There are many manufacturing marks on the edges of my one.

useless photo below..,

So I’ve just had another look and now I reckon it is a WA stamp in a rectangle on the top edge next to the loop.

poor representation below…

I wonder if your one also has a mark there? 🤞

tony 🍻

42 minutes ago, Graf said:

Again very nice work Tony

 Thanks Graf, it keeps me out of trouble, 😊

tony 🍻

On 20/10/2023 at 16:04, Linasl said:

Hello.  I am a collector and an occasional seller.  I have an opportunity to buy a pair of wings purported to be for a Free French Paratrooper during WWII.

I only have one photo as this is all the German auction house provides.

Given the one photo, does it look authentic?  Were there even Free French paratroopers?

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.  Linas

Hi Linas,

this badge was a new one to me and I can’t vouch for originality but there were free French paratroopers and this was a design used by them as a beret badge.

The badge they used was a British parachute regiment badge with the crown ‘cut off’, literally in most cases.

but it seems some were officially issued, on the one below the emblem is also attached, the back plate has a serial number.

These are considered rare even the ‘home made’ ones without the symbol on them. 

Personally, I like it, unless it is stupid money it must be worth a punt 😊

cheers

tony 🍻

3 hours ago, Megan said:

Rant away, dear heart. Our uniformed services do not get as much recognition as they should.

👍👍