Farkas

Hi Rich…

175 Infantry Regiment
36 Division

69 Infantry Brigade

The reserve battalion of the I.R.175 was transferred and became the 3rd battalion of the newly formed I.R.343 in 1915.

343 Infantry Regiment

172 Infantry Brigade

86   Infantry Division 

that move fits your guy…

tony 🍻
 

PS

and I use this 👇  all the time 👍

Hello Gents,

I’m okay at researching some things but I’m crap at finding  people 🤷‍♂️
I’m hoping someone can find a name for me please 🤞
 

I’ve just spent my rent (worth it) on 2 uniforms belonging to a British Officer in India.

Major W. C. Long

Indian medical Service

He received the African General Service Medal with 1902 Somaliland bar as

Captain W. C. Long

66th Punjabis

His miniature on mess dress.

After the purchase I received this picture from the family which made my day…

But it’s one way contact so despite this I still don’t know his name…

Thanks,

tony 🍻

PS

it looks like this 

but there’s some of this too 😁

Which doesn’t matter because of ithis 

how sexy is that?

peaking round the trousers like that 💕

4 hours ago, Stogieman said:

3192 awarded like this, that’s pretty scarce. As long as I’ve floated in and out of collecting I can count on one hand the number I’ve seen, silver or bronze!

Hello Gents,

may I ask what the reasons were that makes it so scarce? Was it a small pool of potential Saxon recipients or a stringent criteria for its award amongst them?

tony🍻

3 hours ago, Rich said:

because, with their medals being unnamed, it is the only tangible link to these men. I saw this set for sale and so just had to buy it.

I share your sentiment, that’s why i love the Karl Truppen Kreuz, unnamed but every one earned by someone, someone out there has my Grandfathers but without his name.

Before you move over to the other forum can I add this, although you may already know it from the paperwork…

That says Regenwalde, which is/was a place in Germany.

& I think the prefix is LIR.

This,👆,  I thought it said LuftInfanterie but it seems more likely it says…

LehrInfanterie Truppenteil.

- Lehr meaning teaching (or similar)

- truppenteil meaning unit

So much info to take in so that may be nothing new and as my previous effort shows… don’t take my word for it!

keep us posted 👍

tony  🍻

9 hours ago, Graf said:

Hi Tony the "hoarding is part of the collecting  We all do it in some extent

Definitely all part of the fun. 👍
My recent weakness is British uniforms,  too late I’ve realised that 50 medals fit in a shoebox whereas 50 tunics have taken over my flat … there’s no hiding it.

But I’ve no wife to curtail me nor kids to feed so why not eh 😊

tony 🍻
 

5 hours ago, Christian1962 said:

As far as I can see and read, there is no connection to the WW1 Austro-Hungarian Army. No part of the former k.(u.)k. Army had an IR 175 or 343.

Therefore no entry for an Austrian decoration.

Regards

Christian

… good point Christian 🙃

hello Gents,

as a Welshman I recognise these…

The Divisional shield insignia is…

The 38th (Welsh) Division

The double eagle badge was in ww2

1st King's Dragoon Guards

From 1959..

1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards

From the RAC site.

“1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards began its formal existence on January 1st 1959, this being the day when the 1st King's Dragoon Guards was amalgamated with the 2nd Dragoon Guards, better known as the Queen's Bays. Thus ended the separate identities of two of the oldest and most distinguished regiments in the British Army.”

From Wikipedia: 

In March 1896 Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria became Colonel-in-Chief of the regiment. At the same time the double-headed Austrian eagle became the cap-badge of the regiment, and it adopted Radetzky March as its regimental march. On the occasion of his Diamond Jubilee on 2 December 1908, the Emperor instituted the Inhaber-Jubiläums-Medaille für Ausländer(Commander's Jubilee Medal for Foreigners) to celebrate his 60 years on the throne. Some of the 40 golden, 635 silver and 2000 bronze medals were awarded to officers and private soldiers in the regiment.

tony 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧

I love the detail in your posts TracA,

you are always an informative & interesting read, tony 🍻

Hello Rich,

that’s a lovely set of paperwork to have.

And the translations in your first post are an interesting read and new for me.

I too cannot speak German, I’m getting better at ready the writing but one without the other isn’t so helpful 🤷‍♂️

 

If I had to guess which is which though…

I think the first entry will be the KTK.

then the EK next

then the third entry is for the bravery medal

hopefully one of our helpful German speakers will spot your document and help us out (correcting me most likely 😊)

cheers

tony 🍻

1 hour ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

Can not make things too easy for youse guys!

You joke but you’re not joking!!

😊

However I’ve got one more submission Chris…

Apple or no apple Sir?

tony 🍎

55 minutes ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

Hi,

 

thanks, but different guy.... my guy just had a sketch pad!! 🙂

Oh Chris, & I thought I’d done soo well too! 🍻

On 12/10/2023 at 20:53, Carlo said:

Hello everyone,
here are more photos.
To answer Farkas' question: the medal is attached to the ribbon by simply hooking the hook inside the upper edge of the ribbon.
Unfortunately I no longer have the photo, but there is also a variant with a small metal element to reinforce where the medal attaches to the ribbon.

A new one to me. It did remind me of some ribbons I have. I took this photo a while back but it shows the use of  ‘poppers’ on a few. It seemed odd to me but perhaps their use isn’t as unusual as I thought.

tony 🍻

On 02/07/2017 at 15:26, Trooper_D said:

Good advice, Bayern - this page, in general

http://www.mlorenz.at/Bewaffnete_Macht/08_Generalitaet/08_Generalitaet.htm

and this image, in particular

http://www.mlorenz.at/Sammlung/Generalstab_oberst_vs_01.jpg

Hi Gents,

interesting to see this picture being used on eBay to sell a reproduction item…

tony

2 hours ago, Gordon Craig said:

Farkas,

Your assumptions are correct.  They are either all fakes/repros or just plain fantasy badges.  To compare the numbered badges look at this site.  https://www.medalbook.com/germany-third-reich-1933-1945/badges/n-s-d-a-p-golden-party-badge/nsdap-golden-party-badge-large-version-1 .  I am not an expert but the badge on this site appears to be authentic.  You should do some research on the correct lettering on these badges.  The book published on these badges is long out of print and worth its weight in gold if you could find one and afford the price.  There are some collectors on WAF that know these badges very well.  

Regards,

Gordon

 

 

Thanks Gordon, yet another variety. What a minefield. I had hoped something here  would have just a bit of age or would be interesting, the Veterans cap badge made me optimistic but I didn’t expect them, if they were knock offs, to be quite so poor. Having said that there are so many different looking examples, claimed to be genuine, maybe ‘they’ are confused even what to copy 🤷‍♂️
 

Fortunately I’m normally drawn to simpler areas of collecting (hoarding 😊)

Cheers

tony

On 06/08/2023 at 12:55, graham said:

I have a GW 18 on an A-H wound medal:

 

I think the 18 on yours might be the year of issue, there is another example of a wound medal , I’ve forgotten the maker (KM/KMT?) with 1919 on it.

tony🍻

On 05/10/2023 at 04:55, Marcon1 said:

Seeing all these soldiers makes you wonder how many of them made it all the way to the end of the war.

Not many, I think.

The guy on the CDV with the newspaper article on the back did not make it, if that is indeed Hauptmann Emil Regins.

Marcon1.

I think about that too…

particularly the ones there at the start.

Some who didn’t make it…

Georg Ditheimer

Josef Brunner 

Franz Staolbauer 

Johann Mauernbod

Anton Mullauer

tony 

7 hours ago, QSAMIKE said:

 

I don’t think you’re having probs, this is how I see it Mike, 👍

Thats a fantastic set you’ve got there,

I love it all from start to finish.
DSO, MVO,

IGS, 2 bars

QSA, 2 bars

WW1 STAR, BWM & AVM TRIO (MID)

& pair of (lovely looking) Russian Orders.

I’d never heard of an MVO for some reason, I just read up a little, now I know.

Also just been reading the piece on AngloBoerWar.com , an interesting varied career reflected by the 25 years of recognition on his bar.

I doubt there is another set quite like it.

Congratulations 🍻

tony

5 minutes ago, Carlo said:

HI,
yes I mean 2.5 meters, but I prefer not to cut it.
It has arrived today in this form and I don't want to change it.

Carlos, What a cool find…

I did not expect you to say it was metres!!

21 hours ago, Farkas said:

can i have a piece please 🤞

I wouldn’t want a piece really, that’s a lovely thing for you to have and preserve.

Congratulations.

tony 🍻

Just the 2 medals left to follow but first this which I’d overlooked until now thinking it was modern navy not supposedly Kriegsmarine…

Maybe something above is different but I doubt it. One thing I’ve learnt is there are few things from the nazi Germany era that are not copied and for sale today.

I’m guessing the above and things before is all repro stuff and I’m bemused by the poor quality of much of what I’ve seen while looking these things up.

Why do they bother putting marks and stamps on historically inaccurate and poorly made reproductions? Why does anyone want to buy them if they look sh#t?  Is it to make the better fakes look good 🤷‍♂️
 

Anyway,  the two medals.

and below the other which has had the detail broken off it  ( again prior to posting)

Its surprisingly heavy, weighing in at 46g with the ribbon.

The edges look like it has been cut out with a hacksaw… 

All thoughts on any of this appreciated. I’m particularly curious about the pair of numbered badges… assuming they are reproductions - what’s the point of it 🤷‍♂️
 

cheers Gents

tony

This measures about 50x90mm though it is not an even shape… of thin material.

tony 🍻

1 hour ago, Carlo said:

approximately 2.5 meters long.

Such an interesting post it seems almost petty pointing it out but i’m guessing you meant 25 centimetres long?

if not... can i have a piece please 🤞

Cheers

tony 🍻

On 08/10/2023 at 00:50, Carlo said:

Hello,
unfortunately I don't know how to help you, I've been asking myself the same question for a long time.
The only thing that came to mind was about the KMT mark, which could also be interpreted as KriegsMeTall, the Karl Truppenkreuz is made of zinc which in German was also called kriegsmetall.

On the version of the Kriegsmedaille made in zinc during the First World War there is the mark KM which I believe also indicates the word kriegsmetall.

 

Unfortunately I can't think of anything else, I hope for the intervention of those who know more.....

There is no definitive answer to the KM stamp, 2 schools of thought on it. One, as you say is KriegsMetall , it makes sense but I’m going with the other, a large metalwork business called KM. 🤷‍♂️

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On 08/10/2023 at 00:50, Carlo said:

Unfortunately I can't think of anything else,

Hi Carlos,

thanks for your thoughts because they got me thinking in a different way and I realised I had been overlooking something… That some awards were being made in huge jumbers.
I’d only been thinking of the KTK.
I’ve been concentrating on Jewellers because previously if I’m looking - I’m looking at hallmarks on nice pieces that Gents have posted on GMIC.

So Gents,

I now think I need to look at these as two types, original ww1/KuK period mass production & post KuK production.

I’m sure all this has been done before but I’m having fun anyway 😊

tony 🍻

On 17/09/2023 at 14:00, Gordon Craig said:

Tony,

Thanks for adding to the thread.  I was wondering if it would be possible to judge WWI and WWII badges like this by makers mark and your badge certainly lends credence to that theory.

Regards,

Gordon

 

This metal detecting site has a great database for the backs of buttons, It’s a great help for dating bits of uniform…

https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/button-makers.html

but there is such good details it helped me before with this badge coincidentally Fattorini & Sons also.

Cheers

tony 🍻

On 11/10/2023 at 13:19, Gordon Craig said:

Farcas,

There should not be M numbers on the items that have them.  They were not NSDAP items and therefore did not fall under the regulations covering the sale of Party insignia etc. The Kyffhauser cap badge appears to be authentic.

Regards,

Gordon

 

Thanks Gordon, I’ve been learning a little bit as I Google this stuff and check up on here but I didn’t know that 👍👍 

The Kyfthauser badge is what made me wonder if some of the rest was.

Next up is these 2 👇The face of one has gone missing prior to postage…

ive not seen any real ones to match these…

Any thoughts Gents?

PS remember I presumed they would all be fakes (& paid as so) so no feelings to hurt!!

tony 🍻

Gents,

just found the front

Hi Gents,

there are 3 cap badges

This is a veterans association cockade

SS Visor Cap Skull

This cap badge is marked in the back 

RZM   M1/52

which represents

Deschler & Sohn firm of Munich

However…

I would be extremely surprised if this is anything but a fake. It looked too fresh but something else was bugging me as I was looking at a few real ones.

When I took these pictures though, straightaway it clicked…

that terrible detailing for the ‘cracks.

& lastly…

all thoughts welcome as always 

cheers

tony 🍻