Farkas

Hi Chris,

you may already know this but just in case…

Maker mark on the reverse is the anchor mark of H. Skarnik & F. Fiszbein, Warsaw, and letters B.M. which stand for 'biały metal' (English: white metal). 

congrats

tony 🍻

10 hours ago, gjw said:

 

BINGO! Exactly what I was looking for.

 

Many thanks!

 

Stay well my friend 

 

Greg

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8 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

I think you are onto something with this. Order of the Phoenix would make sense. The date fits, and it is indeed a Greek order like it is written on the document I posted in the first post.

And I suppose the class written ("Superior Commander") would be the Grand Commander Class?

The only odd thing is the fact that the name of the order is written in French.

I was almost expecting silence!

So I’m glad you see something in it.
 

There aren’t many to chose from in the first place and certainly nothing using battalion. I did wonder if legion might have translated as battalion but there is no Order of the ‘legion of palms’ either.

& yes I also would take it to the Grand Commander class.

Can you tell me the context of the record? Is the source document written in his own hand or a third party? Is it a later official record?

If it was his to write as he pleased, then perhaps he was simply not impressed? Then I can imagine him getting this ‘Micky Mouse’ award and as he throws it in a drawer, he dismisses his title as…

On 30/07/2023 at 11:28, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

Superior Commander of the Palm Battalion

or just a joke.

but as to why in French, yes that’s still odd. Though I have one explanation that is possible.

Would a German Naval Captain have spoken with the Greek politicians using French as the common language?

Perhaps then, palm battalion was a private joke arising from that, though the likelihood of recording it as such would depend on who wrote your source document and when.

tony 🍻

I got distracted!

I do have a possibility though.

I may be crazy but I think it’s this one…

Also.

The Ancient Greek word for palm tree is phoinix.

1 of the 2 native Greek palm trees is called a phoenix.

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

I reckon a piss take not a weird translation.

t

On 30/07/2023 at 23:24, Farkas said:

Thanks, I was just making sure before I suggested…a Karl Truppen Kreuz 

But now I see too many differences.

So forget that.

 

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A different suggestion is a Finnish medal.

The red centre stripe, the yellow stripes with thin red edges (white on Baden service medal) all match the ribbon for the Finnish

‘Order of The Cross of Liberty’ medal.

 

There was more than one version issued.

 

There was a later version too

 

tony 🍻

Was my suggestion of the Finnish one an obvious non starter Gents?

tony 🍻

Gents,

I have a lead methinks, I’m not on Reddit so I couldn’t check the picture but 👇

The panathinaikon stadium is in Athens, Greece. The photo of the Hamburg is dated 6th Feb 1927. 👍

Although Greece isn’t listed on the ‘farewell’ tour it seems they stopped there, likely after Spain I guess.

So perhaps the award was the Captains reward 😁

tony

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Hi Greg,

not sure what you need exactly but there is some nice information here 👇

https://www.worldmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/315670-ddr-army-officer-dagger/

cheers tony 🍻

A fine selection mate…

you’ve had me looking at a few myself this last week 😉

tony 🍻

On 11/02/2022 at 22:52, paddywhack said:

Thanks for that, was he a captain in the end as nothing on the London gazette I can see says he was a captain (though the LG is a fickle site)

Hi paddywhack,

I share your struggle, I almost never find the names I look for.

I still find it odd and wonder how can it be that an officer receives his commission and later promotion, I’ve got his name and unit, yet nothing jumps out on Google. 🤷‍♂️. They ‘deserve’ to be found.

I’ve a number of named officer tunics mostly from the 50’s & 60’s post war period, when there were still private purchases, they were more frequently retained and have survived.

Anyway, to your jacket/tunic…

First, my initial opinion, the design looks fine. 👍
Some jackets have buttoned lower pockets, some don’t.  With officers still privately purchasing items, variety was nothing new.

Having 4 fastener buttons and just the 2 top pocket buttoned 👍

having scalloped edge top pockets & straight edge lower pockets 👍

& top pockets with no pleats… 

All perfectly good.

Here are a couple 👇

The first thing worth questioning that stood out for me was on the label. That tailor already existed in the 30’s, which is good, it isn’t that…

👉 The unusual thing for me is that a Captain needed a new jacket made at all.

- Usually uniforms are made for & named to a 2nd lieutenant. Officers then kept the same SD through promotions just adding pips, with it worn at least until reaching Major and even until full Colonel.
- In my seriously limited experience, it is when Officers transferred to a different regiment/unit or their reg/unit was merged, that a new uniform was warranted. Of course, loss or damage required one too.

- In 1958, The East Yorkshire Regt merged with The West Yorkshire Regt to form  The Prince of Wales's Own Regiment of Yorkshire. There’s a possibility he was still serving then.
 

The other issue is of course the buttons.

If they are indeed new… that’s that. 

But then I’d be asking myself why?

If someone repurposed the jacket, they would likely have cut off the epaulettes.

If someone attached the buttons just to help sell it, why wouldn’t they just spend two quid on some ‘real’ buttons?

So knowing 👇 is possibly helpful.,.

- Are there buttons on the shoulders too?

- Are there any makers marks / names on the reverse of the buttons? 🤞

Then my final input is, if they were to be original to this jacket…

The 3rd/4th County Of London Yeomanry (Sharpshooters) wore plain buttons. As did the South Notts Hussars.

& I think that’s all that did.

Of course much of this is possibly answered if some lovely Gent can check the forces records for you 😊

Cheers 

tony 🍻

I find it interesting that the tin I have for a navy bicorn is painted with the same pattern as yours

On 14/08/2021 at 12:42, Graf said:

Royal navy Set

-Tin Box with the name on the lid

-Bicorn

-Epaulettes

-Belt

I tried to find any information regarding the Navy Officer, however no luck

There is a different maker label in my hat so I guess it must have been a wider practice at the time…

tony🍻

There might be something useful on here

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Austria_Military_Records

Some information on what’s available and good links to early records…

Worth a look regardless but if like me you can’t speak ze German… 😡

tony 🍻

Hi Gents,

I was reminded by the recent Feuerwehr medal post that I had this Feuerwehr helmet and thought I’d dig it out.

Würflach is a town in the district of Neunkirchen in the Austrian state of Lower Austria .

Freiwillige means volunteer

Feuerwehr is Fire Brigade (Fire Defence)

As you can see the helmet has had a few bumps in it’s time but it’s still in nice complete condition…

Front

inside, the green area is to the front

Sides

Rear

The helmet has come back over the pond from the USA where it was part of an estate for sale.

It had another piece with it which was what originally caught my eye, I remember I shared that on GMIC and was told that was some kind of horse tackle type thing. I’ll try and add that here later.

Hope you like it Gents

Cheers

tony 🍻

On 04/04/2022 at 22:31, gjw said:

Hey all, got another addition today.  Nice minty piece.

 

Best,

 

Greg

Minty indeed!!

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On 06/04/2022 at 17:19, David M said:

Dear Forumites

 

I am looking for the careerdata on an officer who was in IR Albert Giulay in Galizien since 01.01.1810 and was still alive as a pensioned Major in 1827.

This is what I have right now, I found this here: https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/viewer/image/1528278845478/55/

 

Thanks for any help

 

regards

 

David

 

Wolff, Karl Ludwig
(geboren Heeringen? 1770, gestorben ??.??.????). 1789 Eintritt in landgräflich hessen-kasselischen Militärdiensten, 1795 Secondelieutenant im Feldjägercorps, 1804 Versetzung (Stabscapitain) im Füsilier-Bataillon Marquard, 20.09.1805 Versetzung (Kapitain) zum Füsilier-Bataillon Todenwarth, 1809 (07.11.1809 Major) in das leichte Infanterie Bataillon des in Böhmen aufgestellten kurhessischen Legion, bei Auflösung des Corps 01.01.1810 in kaiserlich österreichischen Militärdiensten als Kapitain im Infanterie-Regiment Albert Giulay
V.: Pfarrer zu Heringen?

 

 

Did you find what you were looking for today in the end David?

tony

Nice additions, particularly the XX, 👍

On 01/09/2022 at 14:41, 1812 Overture said:

Dear collectors, I recently purchased a medal for the 25th anniversary of the Austro-Hungarian firefighting, but I can find very little information, and I can't find any relevant discussions in the forum. So far I can only find a picture of the medal wearing it, does anyone have pictures of other winners? Also, are firefighters in the Austro-Hungarian Empire civil servants?

 

 

The actual winner is an old grandpa who doesn't look too happy

Always nice to know something of the recipient.

On 02/09/2022 at 07:25, Christian1962 said:

Firefighters were and still are volounteers in Austria. There are only few professional organisations in bigger cities like Vienna, Graz, Linz,... which are part of the city government.

 

The medal was re-established in 1922 and again in 1949 for 25 and 40 years volounteer service.

 

A similar medal was created for the Hungarian part of the empire too.

 

Regards

 

Christian

Overture,

Do you know if he received it post 1922?

He might look a bit happier if he knew he would survive the war… 😁

tony 🍻

On 21/12/2022 at 09:00, David M said:

Good morning

 

I am looking for the austrian career of the kurhessian officer Friedrich Paul Karl v. Haller. He served in the abovementioned IR from early 1810 and was taken over by the kurhessian army again in april of 1815.

 

Hoping to find anything out

 

Kind regards

 

David

Hi David,

Did you have any success with this in the end?

tony 🍻

9 hours ago, P.F. said:

 

-Austrian Commemorative Medal

-Hungarian Commemorative Medal 

Thanks, I was just making sure before I suggested…a Karl Truppen Kreuz 

But now I see too many differences.

So forget that.

————///—-

A different suggestion is a Finnish medal.

The red centre stripe, the yellow stripes with thin red edges (white on Baden service medal) all match the ribbon for the Finnish

‘Order of The Cross of Liberty’ medal.

There was more than one version issued.

There was a later version too

tony 🍻

Hi Ian,

After Jose or Josef I’m going to go with…

Joseph 
& Soldorich 

SOLDORICH 
But… The ‘ich’ could be wrong.

 -  Noticeably the { i } has no • above it.

 -  If the { i } is another letter, eg a or e…the last two letters may also be wrong, ie, the ‘h’could then be a ‘k’.

There are other spellings the name Soldorich but most have been used just a handful of times.

Hope this helps 

tony 🍻

1 minute ago, aubagne98 said:

Hi Tony,

 

thanks fir the Canadian site, it is interesting.

 

The others I found myself.

 

Michael

I reckon we are now as informed as anyone 🤷‍♂️ Every mention was just the same few lines cut and pasted. There is really nothing i could see with more detail than that last longer piece. 

tony

Hi Gents,

what are these last two please?

🤔 i don’t suppose they are (faded) Austro Hungarian WW1 campaign medal ribbons? 

tony 🍻

21 hours ago, Graf said:

Nice cap Tony Enjoy it

42 minutes ago, Scott said:

Nice!

Thanks both, i’m chuffed with it.

tony 🍻

PS

its reminded me that I’ve still got this knocking around somewhere too...

Hi Asil,

W Thomlinson Ltd was a Scottish firm that was established in 1895, its famous for pioneering a style of leather football.

It closed after ww2 , possibly in the 50’s but maybe later.

Bit vague on this 👇 myself... you can find it though if you fancy.

The British army made changes in 1902 or 1903 & again in 1908, one of which introduced a fabric webbing instead of leather.

However officers retained their leather Sam Browne belts but in ww1 they were often discarded because reportedly it made them an obvious officer & target.

I don’t know when pistol cases & the cartridge boxes were dropped as regular dress, i guess before 1939 (1937 saw changes) but they were both still worn on the SB with parade dress until both were made obsolete in 1955.

In summary, 1895 is the earliest it could be and i guess theoretically 1955 is the latest but unlikely as it looks ‘used’...

& After all that you’re still no closer to knowing 🤷‍♂️ but at least you know you can consider Victorian a possibility 🤔

tony 🍻

On 06/07/2023 at 02:44, Terry37 said:

The Nova Scotia Highlanders wore this one pictured, MacDonald tartan, while the North Nova Scotia Highlanders wore the Murray of Atholl Tartan.

 

Terry

 

 

Murray of Atholl tartan, note in picture below of the badge, it is worn as a cross centered on the red stripes.

 

North Nova Scotia on Murray of Atholl tartan.

 

 

Nova Scotia Highlanders worn on MacDonald tartan

 

Terry

 

 

Good to see.

Nice one Terry.

Hi Michael,

You’re right, there is not much to find but first i found this...

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/defence/caf/military-identity-system/drill-manual/chapter-6.html

it’s an informative read about regulations (Canada) but doesn’t answer your questions 

👇 and then this little passage but nothing to answer your Q in it either...

”The origin of the pace stick is claimed by the Royal Regiment of Artillery, who used a "gunner's stick" to measure the distance between guns in the field. It appeared more like a walking stick, with an ivory or silver knob on the end, and, unlike the modern pace stick, could only be opened a fixed distance. It was quickly adopted and adapted by the Infantry as an aid to drill”

Finally i found this on👇

RoyalAnglianDirect.co.uk

Best i can do 🤷‍♂️

A Short History of Pace Sticking

“Stickus Pacium Romanus”

Roman Military Engineers used a pace-stick almost identical to the modern British Army version, with the main difference being a length of rope in place of the modern brass locking bar. When the Roman pace-stick was fully open, the rope went taut and the stick was locked at an angle that measured two Roman marching paces. When building roads, the Roman “sticker” would turn his implement 500 times, which equated to 1 Roman Mile. A mile stone would then be erected. This would be done for the entire length of the road. The length of the modern day pace-sticking course is somewhat shorter, but it is heartening to know that even if Rome wasn’t built in a day, at least it was built with the aid of a pace-stick.

The Royal Regiment of Artillery lays claim to being the originator of the pace-stick, using it to measure the correct distances between guns, limbers and ammunition caissons. Sir John Moore, Father of the British “Light” Infantry writes of the efficient use of pace-sticks” by the Sergeants, in a training manual written in the early 1800s, around the time of the Peninsular War.

In 1928, the late Academy Serjeant Major Arthur Brand developed a drill for the pace-stick and promoted its use throughout the army”

tony 🍻