Christian L

Hy Dean,

interesting to see this piece on a german bar of a WW1 fighter!

As already said its the 5th class of the 4th Modell which was introduced in 1941.

So you should definately check the bar of beeing able to carry such a "late" award decoration.

Prices range from early 4th Modell ones to the current ones due to the used material, craftsmanship and makermarks - but in all cases below 100.- Euro for sure!

All the best Christian

It is a normal Merit-Medal without swords. The swords attached to it, are normally used for ribbonbars only.

But as a Merit-Medal-with-Swords would make more sense in this place (EK2 combattant and Frontfightercross) it could also be "legit" and period made.

Hard to say anything for sure.

Thanks Graham for the pictures and the impression i now was able to get.

Regarding the statement from Michael, which sources you used for the following statement (definately nothing to put it in question, just to educate myself a little bit more)

"His theatre and date of entry tells me that he was 42nd East Lancashire Division, which means he was 1st, 2nd, or 3rd East Lancashire Field Ambulance. He was probably a Gallipoli casualty, given his discharge date."

Interesting news!!!!

But as i'm quiet new to it, i still have some questions ...

- Michael, how is it possible to tell by theater and entry date the unit, he served in? and where is it possible to research that?

- Graham, if you can illustrate your researchmaterial at least particialy, i would be very happy to see it, that i'm able to know how it looks like, as well, where you got that from and how?

Thanks a lot in advance and for the already answered questions Christian

Thanks a lot Graham for the very fast help!

The whole card looks like the following.

And as i'm quiet fascinated by the possibilities of researching british medals, i try it ones in a while, but stumble accross many stones ...

The mentioned list of the silver war badge isn't online, as the medalcards, or is it? So far i was only able to find lists to officers, but not to enlisted/ncos.

Thanks again Christian

I have some difficulties of a Royal Army Medical Corps guy regarding reading and decoding something on his medalcard

to me, it seems to be: SW.B. List TH/327

thought i'm totally uncertain what would it be.

As its also mentioned Dis.23.4.1916 i thought that he was discharged due to wounds and the SW.B. is a "silver wounded badge" - but here it ends ... as i only knew of a wounded badge in general, but not a certain grade.

Help is greatly appreciated and many thanks in advance!

Christian

that one?

just send me a pm if you need some images.

Yes, would imagine a Hessen Philips Order in last position as well and due to the whole combination i guess that it was a Southwestafrica medal in steel for service on the "home-front".

nice one!

Christian

WOW!!!!

Amazing pictures!

some more medals ...

Quiet a nice shot of an awardee beeing not able to place his Commander Decorations around his neck - and as his civilian dress, doesn't allow him to put the others in the button-holes ... he olaces the surplus one next to his mini-chain.

Also quiet interesting, that he favours his Finnish Order of the White Rose to be worn around the neck instead of his German Red Cross Commander.

Hope you like it!

Thanks!

No, there is just this one (100% sure about that), and i imagine, as i purchased it directly and not via the web-page, it will be marked sold, when the next update this week will be done.

Christian

It was the Medalgroup of Generalleutnant Johann v. Ewald (1755-1813).

Hammerprice was 45.000.- Euro

photo from Thies Auction Cataloge page 31 showing the whole group:

ok, i know, its not a photograph and no uniform, but i guess, still the best image ...

and now residing next to "his" ribbonbar :rolleyes:

Thanks a lot Rick, Ulstermann and Glenn!

And yes, it seems to be a Johanniter around his neck and a stiched cross on the uniform - hope to be able to get a better pic of him ... as you are more than true ... its quiet a pic of "questionable" quality.

A wonderfull bar, and definately beyond i would have ever been able to expect!

WOW!

THANKS SO MCUH!

Fast and also quiet interesting to see a "Writer" behind this ribbonbar!

... and whats also interesting:

he was on the Kriegsakademie in Berlin 1889 - 1892 and in 1892 he fell off a/his horse which caused him injuries leading to be out of service - and that started his career as a writer.

here the list of his works (as listed on wikipedia):

* 1889 Von der Lebensstraße (Lyrik)

* 1891 Die Sünde. Geschichte eines Offiziers (Novel)

* 1897 Deutscher Adel um 1900

* 1898 Eheliche Liebe (Drama)

* 1911 Die Tochter des großen Georgi (Theaternovel)

* 1923 Ausgewählte Novellen

* 1929 Sonntagskind, Jugendjahre eines Glücklichen (Autobiographie)

* Excelsior Ein Bergsteigerleben / Berlin: Wegweiser-Verl., 1938

* 1932 Bergkrieg ; darin: Erinnerung an den Dichter. Von Leopold v. Schlözer u. Georg Frhr von Ompteda.

* Der jungfräuliche Gipfel; Novel; 1927

* Ernst III.; Novel, 1925

* Die schöne Gräfin Cosel : Roman einer Geliebten Augusts des Starken; 1932

* Herzeloyde : Novelle; 1923

* Benigna : Novel; 1923

* Ausgewählte Novellen; 1923

* Aus großen Höhen : Alps-Novel; 1921

* Die kleine Zinne : Novel from the Mountains, 1931

* Eine Auslese aus Nummer 1 - 40 / / Ompteda, Georg von. - 11. - 30. Tsd. - 1915

* Normalmenschen : Novel, 1906

* Denise de Montmidi; 1912

and still, his horse-back-riding-injuries where not "that" bad, to be back in uniform again in WW1

as well here we get a face and his signature (photos credited: Kotte Autographs, Rosshaupten)

The week till now was quiet busy and as i had a little bit of time left today, i thought to made a quick stop at my favourable medalshop ...

with nothing special in mind, and as i wasn't able to had a look at his update this week, my expectation on seeing this ribbonbar where "sold" - but lucky me, it wasn't

i think this bar is quiet interesting, due to the 4th decoration

On the bar are the following awards:

- Saxony, Albrechts Order, Knight 1st Class

- Prussia, Iron Cross, 2nd Class

- Bavaria, Military Merit Order, 4th Class with Swords

- Württemberg, Wilhelms-Cross with Swords !!!!!!!!!!!

- Ernestine Dutchies, Saxonina-Ernestine-Houseorder, Knight 1st Class with Swords

- Prussia, Crown Order, 4th Class

- Ernestine Dutchies, Saxonina-Ernestine-Houseorder, Knight 2nd Class

Who do you see, as possible suspect of beeing awarded with these decorations?

I would imagine by the 2 piecetime awards at the end of the bar and the BMVO a senior Oberleutnant or Hauptmann, but "why" he got the Wilhelms-Cross with Swords?

the Deckoffiziers Liste does list as duties for the 2 Deckoffiziere (Steuermann and Maschinist) on board of Luftschiffen:

Steuermann:

while home

- be aware of the condition of the gas - and controlling it "all the time"

- small repairs on the outer cover, gas-cells, ships-body and steering-mechanism of the airship

- taking care of the ship inventory and the paperwork regarding it

while flying

- navigation

- meterological navigation

- taking care of the "fuel"

Maschinist:

- similar to those on "conventional ships"

- managing of the engine

- taking care of the body (bones) of the airship as well as all electrical and mechanical things on board

i got mine as some kind of "coincidence" on a recent collectormeeting for less than an EK2 1914 costs these days ... and be quiet happy with it ... even though it does not list any awards or so (sample attached).

it is interesting to know, that in 1913 the navy got their first Luftschiffe and started to train their crews first in Dresden, than in Hamburg-Fruhlsbüttel and later on in Cuxhaven. Teh Steuermann and the Maschinist of a Luftschiff where Deckoffiziere.

according to the List of Deckoffiziere from 1933:

- he was not one of the 719 Deckoffiziere who died in WW1

- he was not taken over in the Reichsmarine

and what supprised me most, the list doesn't list the Marine-Luftschiffabteilung, for aviation only the Marine-Landflieger-Abteilung with I. Seeflieger-Abteilung und II. Seeflieger-Abteilung is listed.

Is there a separete list for the Marine-Luftschiffabteilung, or what happened to those Deckoffiziere transfered to the Luftschiffe?

nice picture ... as always

how about a turkish sanay medal?

Oh - be sure, that it is definately not a lack of interest - but (can only speak for myself) a lack of knowledge, so i only read, as i can't comment with any further knowledge.

But please don't stop!

All the best and thanks a lot Christian

Very nice display - especially bringing the model together with items from the Tirpitz - very well done!!!!

True!

But wouldn't he be in the group with 3rd/4th Order (instead of Medal and Cross), as he is without LS award, i expect him to be a Leutnant/Oberleutnant in WW1 and became Hauptmann in WW2.

Do you know, if there was a reuss unit engaged in finnish wars? Or rather a navy award?

Hy Rick,

you confirmed, what i already suspected ... but if the numbers are similar to those in Waldeck, or even a little bit higher, there should be a possibility to id him, sometime in the future.

Thanks a lot Christian

Got this nice picture recently and beeing a little bit confused on the 3rd and 4th ribbon on the ribbonbar.

The ribbons are:

EK2 with Wiederholungsspange

Ostmedaille

?

?

Frontfightercross

Finnland Libertycross with swords 3rd or 4th class

as well he is wearing a EK1 with Wiederholungsspange

The shoulderboards are not fully vissible what makes it hard to id the attachement properly. At least his rank should be Hauptmann on the pic.

As the picture is made by the Fotographer Spoerl in Gera, i would assume that no. 3 and 4 on the ribbonbar came from Reuss - what are your thoughts?