jaba1914

L?beck (L?H) Statistics so far:

Marineflieger 6 0,18

Flieger 21 0,62

Luftschiffer 7 0,21

Marineluftschiffer 2 0,06

Hallo David,

have you the names of those people? Can you post it?

Thank

alex

The piece belong to the cased broce FAM on the left. I also have a piece of 30cm for complet a bar.

Alex

Hallo Troy,

the best reference i can give you is the website of a friend of mine. He collect award of the Kingdom of Saxon for several years and have a huge collection.

The only bad news is the site is only in german.

Alex

Thanks Alex, is that a spare ribbon I see on the left?

The piece belong to the cased broce FAM on the left. I also have a piece of 30cm for complet a bar.

Alex

Hallo Troy,

the price for your broce FAM is OK. But the ribbon is wrong.

Look at me picture and you will see the right ribbon. This medals will awarded in cases also in bags.

Rgs

Alex

Dear Alex,

I know Andreas very well, he (nowadays) never sells anything knowingly false (or it is described as such). I can only assume that the buyers for the material were not around, or maybe the estimates were too pushy. If they had had the awards with them they would have gone through the roof.

Paul

Does someone knew who the owner is?

Did someone know about the two groups appears on the 31. Thies Auction. Both were not sold.

Pos: 1076 and 1078.

Thanks

Alex

Dave,

You're quite right about the link not working but it is still the correct address so type it in as usual.

Stan

Hallo friends,

here the correct link

Thank for show this beautifull goblet

Alex

Found this thread look at this badge. The same flaw

bavarian badge whit flaw

Hi Stogieman,

the left one look like mine and have the same flaw.

Can you post now the dimensions of both badges and the engraving.

@Luftmensch

the pin on your badge looks not so good. This is me opinion. Can you take a picture of the engraving.

I will add reverse photos this evening, if possible. Very busy today/tonight with Holiday Cheer!!

Jaba, please post dimensions (in mm.) of your badge. Should be measured from the top of the cross to the center of the wreath/bow, and from the top of the cross to the tips of the bow. Width as well across the middle please. Thanks!!!

If you prefer, please feel free to PM me these details. Again, in my experience, there are many factors to be considered. Weight & dimensions are critical. 99.9% of the fake Bavarian badges are significantly smaller than real ones.

Hi Stogieman,

i don`t realy anderstand what measures you ment.

Here the dimensions (in mm)

Height over all: 77

Width over all: ca. 45

Weight: about 28,4g

Can we see the back of those badges. I think this is mor important.

I've handled/owned quite a few Bavarian Badges, maybe even a lot..... my total is six (6).... out of about 500 fakes that I would (classify as such by me) pass on in a heartbeat.

Post your badges here please.

I am sure that the bavarian badge is an original. I bought it from a dealer who i realy trust and i have a confirmation.

I also show more badges whit the same flaw.

Who issued the certificate?

PK

Is a Niemann certificate.

Yes, the engraving is "Leutn. vZiegesar". I can`t open the pin because ii is repaired.

Joachim Von Ziegesar had served in FA 23 along with Veltjens and Berthold,

and there is a photo that suggests he was Veltjens' observer for a time.

After becoming a pilot he seems to have been another

of Berthold's proteges and followed him (and Veltjens) from unit to unit.

My limited sources have him in Jasta 4 from 1 Oct 1916 to the 16th,

then in Jasta 14 until 15 March 1918, He was briefly in Jasta 18 but

then was part of the big Berthold switch to Jasta 15 on 18 or 20 March 1918.

He flew with Jasta 15 until the EOW.

He had three (?) victories:

1. 6 June 1918 a DH9 at 1140 hrs at Maignelay

Unconfirmed Sopwith on 9 August 1918, at 1830 hrs west of Le Quesnel

2. 26 Sept '18, a SPAD XIII at 1740 hrs at Pont-a-Mousson

3. 29 October '18 - a Breguet at Champigneulle

The bavarian Pilot badge is a original i have a certificate.

This is the beginn of me badge collection (i hope).

and back side

A bavarian Pilot Badge "CARL POELLATH"

A Pilot Badge in Silver from Juncker

Here an Observer Badge in Silver

Hallo friends,

i'm new here and now i want to introduce myself.

I'm 28 years old live in Germany near Heidelberg.

I collect awards of the Kingdom of Saxony.

But my main collecting domail is the imperial german Airforce 1913-1918. I will post here me collection the next days.

I hope you will post also your badges here to build a database for imperial airforce bagdes.

Thanks

Look vary good. Here my Bavarian Pilot Badge looks like your.

Here a Grand- / Commandercross in Silver. Marked with "DRESDEN", "SCHARFFENBERG" and "S".

It's a fake. JUNCKER never built pieces with both crescent moon and crown.