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Specially for Claudius a picture of Fl.Mt.(F) Otto Hess together with Fl.Mt.d.R.(F) Hauenstein at SFS Borkum on March 1917.

KR Alex

The first picture shows Albert Dossenbach not Buckler.

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Alex

18 hours ago, Deruelle said:

This is normal, the breast star is like I said above for the commander class 1st class with X. There is nothing happened with the knight cross with crown without swords.

 

Christophe

One small correction.

the star is for the commander 1st class with swords on the ring. A rare class for the AO.

Oh my god Weitze found a completly unknown unit ?

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You are talking about a book you want to write or allready started with.

What should this book cover?

Is it only prensent pieces and item or give researched background information to different navy aviation topics.

I know several groups of airship commanders of different extent but I assume you are only mentioned award groups.

I have myself a group of an army airship commander and a medal bar of an navy airship commander.

I didn't count the number of badges of different makers I have seen over the years but all of them are scarce. This fact is  not of much interest for me. I'm more interested on the persons and history behind.

I'm not Claudius but I know the group of Olt.z.S. Richard Frey before it was offerd on auction.  I don't think that someone here focus on PLM groups or navy airship commanders because you can't find any. 

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The asterix mark is not a evidence for Godet. You can find this on other decoration not made by Godet too.

the specific hinge and pin is typical for breast crosses and stars made by different makers not Gidet only.

I know another navy observer of this maker out of a group.

but this is a topic that would blow out this thread.

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Alex

Thanks for posting your pieces.

Can you post reverse pictures of the air ship badges?

The patch Gr. Kampf-Flieg 83. does not make any sence. There was no unit existing with this name in WW1.

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Alex

I don't have the printed version of the book, only a digital draft version for review and there is no commemorative badge on page 85.

The resolution is not good but this is not a Meybauer badge at all. Hinge and pin are not similar to known piece of this maker so far. I can proof the estate  and for me this doesn't make any difference.

I also not agree the theory that the badges with a ray back are made by Godet.

I love to see more of your navy aviation pieces.

Hi Erik,

welcome to this forum and for your posts.

I never seen an banner like this and I don't belive that this is from the WW1 period.

The details and the quality is not as banners I seen from other units. I think this is a postwar piece.

I'm sorry that I have to bring you bad news but I don't like the Commemorative badge. It has the Meybauer stamp but it is not a badge by this maker.  I worked with Pandis on his latest revision of his book about the German navy aviatio badges, but a badge like you is not included.

Loo on this post for a Meybauer style badge.  This is also presented in Pandis book.

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Alex

Today I want to present one of navy observer badges from estate of Kpt.Lt.d.R.M.A. Alfred Meyra (genannt Meyr). It has a mark on the reverse mention:

"A. Meyr"

"II. MFA"

He started navy service as an medical physician and moved to the navy air service 1915 as an Marine Stabsarzt.  He was trained as observer at SFS List and Warnemünde and had service at SFS Helgoland until November 1915.

then he was transfered to Sonderkommando in Turkey where he served as observer until July 1916. After training at SFS Wiek and short service at SFS Köslin he was sent to Romania as leader of a SFS. He took over the command of SFS Duingi on February 1917 and hold it until his death on 1st October 1917.

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Alex

Out of my former collection.

Albrechtsorden - Offizierskreuz

Well, I own myself a promotion document of Joachim Coeler. This is on display at a museum for several years.

The document for the Marineflieger Erinnerungs-Abzeichen is still the only I know.

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Alex

Outstanding picture. 

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Romania about 40km South to Konstanta at the Tuzla lake.

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The  circumstances of his death are a little bit strange. He was not shot down during the flight. He was shot down during a gun battle on ground. He died the day after.

As mentioned on WAF he was a former navy doctor who changed to the navy air service.

I would expect a silver Schaper badge because he was one of the first receipts of the observer badge, but none of the badges are in silver.

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Saxony, life saving medal in  silver (SLM)

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Alex

It is a lot of time since I was at Aeronauticum. But now I could take a better picture of the display.

It is in small letters but his name is there.

Great news. Now you have a name and additional information to this picture.

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Alex

23 hours ago, Dave Danner said:

Many United States laws have extraterritorial application. These range from laws against genocide and war crimes and laws relating to recovery for torts by immigrants and refugees when the torts occurred in other countries to various tax laws and the like. The existence of these laws is a matter of fact. As a practical matter, enforcement of such laws can be difficult, since that often requires the cooperation of foreign law enforcement agencies and judicial and political authorities, and there are also often evidentiary issues (getting depositions or testimony from foreign parties, for example). Of course, all international law is as a practical matter subject to the cooperation or coercion of the parties, sometimes by meetings, sometimes by tanks.

By the way, extraterritoriality is not unique to the U.S. Other countries also purport to apply certain laws outside their own jurisdictions, and face the same practical issues. The ban on "Nazi" items on fora like eBay, for example, began because of efforts by France and Germany to apply their own laws on Nazi propaganda not just to yahoo.fr or ebay.de, but to the entire global enterprises.

This is not US law what you refer. This is the case when other countries applied the same or similar law. Than this can be parsued.

You can not punish someone who does not break any local or international law. It doesn’t matter if the US have such a law.

no one follow US law outside and otherwise.

Same for the examples you mentioned about genocide. There are several countries who are not accept the international agreements and not follow this rules.

this can be treated by international courts but there is no possibility to force this if the local authorities not follow the same rules.

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alex

Thank for your help. It is vera appreciate.

Very helpfull infos on Molnár. The date of award for the GTKM is known for all of them, but I didn't found further infos on awards for those and other guys.

Can anyone provide me a list of awards to those men preferable with date of award.

Fliegermeister Johann Molnar

Fliegermeister Eduard Sztavjanik

Fähnrich Maximilian Obendorfer

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My favorite pieces is this small group of Fl.Mech.Ob.Mt. August Remy who was the mechanic of of the famous "Wölfchen" onboard of SMS Wolf. Quite unique group.

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Alex

This badges are from the next Staiffer auction. There are a lot of aviation badges for sell in the next ausction. This might come from a collection. Many of them are fakes but also some nice pieces.

The pilot badge numbered 500 is a good piece but badly worn.

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Aöex

Her a more recent picture of the cross.

Like a mentioned before the cross is currently stored in Dresden.