AlbertR

Hello,

I recently bought von Schwerin's well-known Sturm-Bataillon Rohr monograph. The book also contained a photograph and "Melder Nr. 1". Was this photo added to the book as standard? "Melder", I believe, was not added. Have any of you come across other issues of "Melder"? Do you know how many issues came out?

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16 hours ago, Klaus P. Schad said:

Hello Albert,,

the title is Formationsgeschichte der deutschen Infanterie im ersten Weltkrieg (1914 bis 1918) by Hartwig Busche.              The source of "Sturm-Bataillone" in that book originated from Hermann Cron in "Geschichte des deutschen Heeres im Weltkrieg 1914-1918" and H.R.von Stein " Die deutschen Sturm-Bataillone im Weltkrieg 1914/1918" in Zeitschrift fuer Heereskunde 1965, Seite 123. The source is mentioned as a footnote.

 

Best regards,

Klaus

Thank you very much Klaus, looks like this book is very rare, I can’t find any copy to buy or even a photo of the cover.

Cheers,

Albert

On 05/08/2022 at 01:15, Klaus P. Schad said:

I would like to add this info of St.Btl. 14

Kommandeur : Major von Puttkamer

 

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Hello Klaus, what is the title of the book?

Cheers,

Albert

Daniel, waiting for your book on HHO, when do you think it will be published?

14 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

Hello friends,

 

Work is going on. I have already 600+ names more than Geile could list with plenty of additional data. Special thanks to Dave Danner by the way!

So it will not take eternities more to bring out a new list.

Please continue to send me what you have,  esp. Documents.

 

Greetings 

Daniel

Hello Daniel,

Great news! Keep up the good work! When do you think the book will be published?

Cheers,

Albert

Beau Newman - thank you very much for these photos, they make me want this book even more, it’s beautiful and on my shopping list!

13 minutes ago, ixhs said:

sometimes you can find "Moser" at ebay.de - but bevor you buy it - ask the seller if the names are inside.

(The names of the GMMM recipients (nearly all names)  is also included)

Thanks again! Looks like there were three editions. The 1st from 1927 is shorter than the 2nd (1928) and 3rd (1938), so looks like the lists are in the 2nd and 3rd editions. I'll buy the 3rd edition in the near future.

Schießplatzmeister and ixhs - many thanks!

Great that, contrary to what I thought before, there is a book with the list of recipients of MMO, and it's quite cheap. I'll buy it soon!

ixhs - please let us know when your article about GMMM is published!

If anyone has anything to add, especially about other books on Württemberg orders and decorations, please do so!

Thanks once again for the reply!

I do have all seven volumes of Neal W. O’Connor’s masterpiece. In fact my interest in WW1 German orders and decorations started after I bought these books. They are simply wonderful.

I decided to buy Klein’s and Raff’s second volume - thank you for your recommendation! Do you know other good books about WW1 Wuerttemberg orders and decorations?

Very best regards,

Albert

Thank you very much for the reply!

I knew about existence of these two books, but I had doubts whether they are what I’m searching for, and they are quite expensive.  After your recommendation I’ll give them a second thought ?

I’m mainly interested in WW1 orders and decorations - do I need both volumes or only the second will be enough?

I still think that a lack of book about Military Merit Order, containing a list of all recipients, means that Wuerttemberg is the least researched from 5 strongest Imperial German states. There are books about most prestigeous orders from Prussia, Bavaria, Saxony and Baden...

Very best regards,

Albert

One of my favourite orders, I hope updated list of recipients will be published sooner than later. Willi Geile's book was published 22 years ago!

Hello Gents,

I wonder why, apparently, Württemberg's orders and medals are the least researched among awards from 5 strongest Imperial German states. As far as I know, there's even no book about the Military Merit Order (Militärverdienstorden). What is the reason? Maybe incomplete archives? If so, why are they incomplete? War damage?

Cheers,

Albert

Hello Kornel,

The title is "Prussian and Other Imperial German Award Statistics". Here's the cover: 

If you want the book, please write a private message to Paul C, I'm sure he will help you  This book is great and very rare, so don't hesitate! 

Best regards,

Albert

Komtur - many thanks for your great post, especially for attaching the article on HHO!

Dave - you're right, during WW1 lower grades of Red Eagle and Crown Order were not commonly awarded, while HHO was (well, of course if we say "common" about Order awarded only over 8000 times). Before the war, it was the other way round. The reason for this change is not known.

Panzerpionier - sorry, right now I don't remember in which other book than "Aviation Awards..." vol. II we can read about HHO being an intermediate award to PLM.

Dear Panzerpionier,

It's true. It was rare that a PLM recipient didn't get Knight's Cross (or other cross) of the Royal Hohenzollern House Order first. During WW1 8291Knight's Crosses of HHO and 687 PLMs (plus 122 Oak Leaves) were awarded. A good example is Werner Voss. First he got Iron Cross 2nd Class, then Iron Cross 1st Class, later Knight's Cross of HHO and finally PLM (strangely no other awards). You can read about it for example in excellent Neal W. O'Connor's "Aviation Awards..." vol. II (Prussia).

Cheers,

Albert

Thank you very much, Demir! So far I have "Ottoman Medals and Orders. Documented History". Soon I will buy the other books, including your!

Hello Demir,

In one of the pinned topics you recommend 3 other books on Turkish orders and medals. If I had all 4 books, do you think it's enough or do you recommend any other books?

Cheers,

Albert

Guys,

on the third photo we indeed see Manfred von Richthofen, but not on the right - he's on the left  The guy on the right is Hans Klein.

Cheers,

Albert

Hi,

Germans captured some Whippets, two of them in running condition. They were only tested by German army, not used in battle. Of all captured tanks only British Mark IV tanks were used by them operationally. However, one Whippet was used by the Freikorps after the war.

Albert

Thank you very much, Walter.

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong. There were:

- 685 PLMs;

- 2 PLMs with Oak Leaves awarded at the same time (for the Emperor of Austria and the King of Bułgaria);

- 120 Oak Leaves awarded after PLMs.

So there were 687 PLMs and 122 Oak Leaves in total.

Thank you very much, Dave. Does anyone have different numbers?

Dave, thank you, I know about this, but is it realiable? I'm interested in both a number of PLMs (in different sources from 685 to 691) and Oak Leaves to PLM (121-122? In Hamelman's book only 109 IIRC, but surely too few).

Hello Gents,

I know this question may look stupid for experts like you, because PLM is the most famous German order, but I found different numbers  regarding how many PLM and Oak Leaves were awarded during WW1. Is it possible to say, without any doubt, what is the correct answer to this question?

Cheers,

Albert

Hello Gents, my first post here 

I bought Neal W. O'Connor's opus magnum and was never the same again  Imperial German military awards became one of my main hobbies (I'm generally interested in WW1, especially aviation, tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles). Recently I found out that there is a great book by Eric Ludvigsen on statistics regarding Prussian and other awards during WW1. Is there any chance to buy it?

Cheers,

Albert