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Thanks Tony. With due respect to Bob's experience I believe that these printed armbands existed during the TR. Information from ex-HJ members is what we need and it is good to hear the comment made by your father-in-law. I have a sneaking feeling though that even if he still had that armband it would not be enough to convince some collectors. Bizarre I know but I guess we can blame the damn fakers for that....

Ah, there is a post on here actually where the author states the regulation date as 1939 which makes more sense.

QUOTING WHAT YOU HAVE FROM JOHN ANGOLIA'S BOOK LEAVES ONY THE WORDING UP TO INTERPRETATION.

...which was my point. I don't know where he got that information from but I'm assuming he didn't just make it up.

I have the utmost respect for your experience. All I was saying was that based on Angolia's comment a doubt exists. As you say, the individual owner of any disputed item has to be happy with it.

Yes ok Bob, stop shouting. I am happy with the printed armband but have to say that I wasn't defending it in my posts above. My comments are meant generally. You show me your proof and I'll agree with you. And that is why this hobby is so absorbing and challenging. Sometimes no-one knows the answer 100%.

Just wanted to add that my comments are not meant in connection with the armband shown above which in my opinion is not good. I was talking in general about printed armbands.

PRINTED HJ ARMBANDS ARE CHEAPER BECAUSE THEY ARE REPRODUCTION. THEY FIRST BEGAN TO APPEAR IN THE MID 60'S ALONG WITH PRINTED VARIATIONS OF FOREIGN HJ UNITS. HJ ARMBANDS ARE A VERY COMMON ITEM. IN MY EXPERIENCE OF FIFTY YEARS OF COLLECTING, I HAVE NEVER ENCOUNTERED ONE THAT HAD ANY PROVENANCE. I ALSO HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE THAT I BELIEVED TO BE CORRECT.

BOB

With respect Bob, you've stated your opinion but haven't addressed the point I raised about the regulation mentioned by Angolia. Banning something implies that it existed. It doesn't HAVE to mean that but it CAN. This introduces doubt into the assumption that a printed armband is always bad. As you know, in the early un-regulated days of the HJ some items (including the armbands) were home-made.

A quick edit: The main reason no-one wants the printed version is because of mistrust i.e. the majority thinks they are bad. That IMHO doesn't necessarily follow..

Wow, just wanted to add my congratulations on a fantastic photo collection!

I remember reading the account of an HJ member where he mentioned a regulation that came out in 1936 concerning improvement of the pin security due to the amount of Ehrenzeichen that were being lost. I've always regarded this as the reason for catches as displayed in post #1.

Hi, I have a printed armband and was initially sceptical about them. Angolia says that printed armbands were banned by regulations. For me this can be interpreted as an attempt to ban further production of the printed version i.e. they did exist and were then banned. Why ban something that doesn't exist? Yes, there is a flaw in my reasoning in that I wasn't there during the TR to see printed versions being worn but we know that there are printed armbands around that pass the tests. And they're cheaper because no-one wants them

A piece of some sort of box or crate. It's made out of a very light wood but is stamped with an HJ stamp.

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If anyone has any idea what it says or what it was for I'd love to know.

This was the gift of a very dear friend named Ed Greer, along with some reference books and magazines and a few other pieces that he gave me before he passed on. He is sorely missed. Thanks Ed!

Hi, the Bann appears to be Aachen-Stadt (Bann 25). This Bann belonged to Gebiet 11 K?ln-Aachen. The word under the Bann number is 'Verwaltung' which means administration so I think your box probably held documets and paperwork for someone involved in running the Bann. Might have been the Bannf?hrer himself, who knows