robert pierce

That's odd, Steve. I never even noticed the difference in the cores until I posted them here. But the detail to the frames is identical. I've heard a lot of opinions around these Paulmann & Crones, multiple cores, etc...Now, I'm beginning to see.

My first set came from a German vet, an entire grouping from him personally. The second packeted set came from a good friend who got his from a vet also. These are the only two packets I have ever seen from Paulmann & Crone, both identical.

Robert

Yeah,

my second core looks more like yours, especially the '3' in 1939. The frames look the same, maybe different cores, especially the first cross.

Robert

another 86...

rear

the packet...

I like variants and you don't see too many of these so I snatched it up, although it was for sale for awhile. It's in good condition. I wonder who made it?

Hi Steve,

Could your cross be a Paulmann & Crone, Ludensheid? I have two that are magnetic, in their original issue packets, both identical. The narrow, tall beading. The shallow dates, the thick smaller-sized suspension rings, all characteristic of the unmarked 86's. What do you think side by side, your cross on the left, one of mine to the right...

Robert

Thank you very much, Gene. I've been looking at a pioneer tunic like yours, and talking with the seller about the piece. It's on hold for me until I either make up my mind to buy, or decide to slide. I was just curious why yours didn't have the Juft GAB on it. Oh well, they can't have everything. The tunic I'm looking at is very nice, near mint. I need to get some photos to post to have you guys a chance to see it, and give me the final verdict. The collar tabs have been factory sewn, the gull added later. It's also a Unteroffizier with litzen. I'll do my best for photos soon.

Robert

That is a great uniform. The visor was probably harder to find than the tunic, unless they came together. What a wonderful and rare display! Would you please show us the stampings inside the tunic, if you wouldn't mind? Is the gull applied before the tab was sewn on, or after?

Luftwaffe GAB?

Robert

Here is something I put together on the topic... I hope that it helps!!

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18187

Thank you very much for your help. Well done! This makes it very clear to me now.

Robert

Yes, I believe you, certainly. I just looked again, and it said 'Luftwaffe Fliegerbluse for Unteroffizier of Pioneer troops.'

Black piping outside of litzen.

Robert

Thank you,

That's exactly what I was looking for - one gull on black tab. Combat engineer, huh? The dealer called it a flight 'pioneer.' I'll have a look at the piping color on the shoulder boards. Are these black as well?

Robert

Showing my ignorance here,

What is a 'pioneer' tunic? I've seen midwar Luftwaffe flight tunics with black collar tabs instead of the usual yellow described as 'pioneer'. ???

I remember seeing a Panzer wrapper with white/black twisted piping, pioneer.

Robert

Thank you, Paul.

My ignorance is my worst enemy.

Thank you,

Robert

thickess.... a dime...

reverse...

Yes, give me a few minutes please.

OK, here are some photos....

Robert Pierce

Hi all,

Recently I purchased an oval flak patch from Kai with the white flak gun on a feldgrau background. Instead of being made of course wool, it's more of a fine felt construction. Were the originals made of thick wool material like the flak tunic material, or is this felt material original?

Robert

Jos, that's a stunning example of a 1st pattern. The detailing is really tremendous on this badge.

Robert

Your gallery of Souvals are really a treat to see, the brass-cored versions and the stamped pinbacks. There are so many unstamped Souvals to see, it's nice to see yours. I have heard that the 'dipping 3' in the date really authenticates a pre-45 Souval, which yours all seem to have, except for the zinc. Beautiful crosses! Thank you for posting one of my favorite EKI maker's products.

Robert

Thanks everyone,

It has been a long time ambition to find one of these. And when it came with the case, I was really thrilled.

Thanks for the input, you guys. I bought it. I thought the door of opportunity was opened, and it was time to move!

Thanks,

Robert

Agreed.

It is an absolute carbon copy of my set, except mine is tombak.

Get this while you can... they do not show up every day!

Marshall

Thanks everyone for the confirmation.

Marshall, why do you believe mine is anything but tombak???

Robert

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