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Hi,

Very interesting thread. It would seem that of all the armies in the world, the German army would certainly have the regulations concerning these subtleties in print somewhere.

Thanks,

Sam

Hi,

I agree that the crown detail is outstanding, as well as the "W", very crisp.

Regards,

Sam

Hi,

A beautiful bar indeed. I believe it's the first I've ever seen (Bulgarian). Thanks for showing it.

Regards,

Sam

Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to present this information. It's very helpful, as well as interesting. I have a set of the transcribed award rolls by Rick, et al. and a Prussian 1907 rank list, but to me the hard part is getting started, and as you show here, if a bar is even traceable.

Kind regards,

Sam K.

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the reply. Although I knew awards were made post war, I never realized the sheer number that were. Also, for how long after the war they were continuing to be awarded. I believe I read in the F. Beyreiss book on Oldenburg decorations that in that state awards were made up to 1930! I know awards are often made years after the conclusion of a conflict, we often see that today with awards given to WWII vets, Vietnam vets, etc, but like I mentioned previously, it's the volume made that is striking to me as well as the sometimes arbitrary way they were handed out as you mentioned in post #4.

Thanks again,

Sam

Hi,

How was it that the requirements to have received the many thousands of post war awards were verified (not just the Prussian EK, but other states and awards as well)? Did the receipients have to be "nominated by their old unit officers. Did affidavits have to be written by eyewitnesses to the act which earned the award? Just curious.

Regards,

Sam

Hi,

I believe those collar tabs and shoulder boards are absolutely correct. The tabs are for an Army administration official ( Heers Verwaltung ).They were different for each "level" of service. The "level" being the admistrative service army rank equivalent, i.e. a company grade, field grade, generals grade officer, etc. These appear to be a higher level grade with the gold coloring and "wavy" edges.

Regards,

Sam

Hi,

The medal bar in post 2 I believe was determined to be a fake, in that it is made up from original medals but is a modern construct. It was discussed on the forum we don't name here, but go there and do a search under "admirals's bar". this bar has certainly made the rounds, I've seen it sold at least twice. The second time it was sold just for the value of it's parts.

Kind regards,

Sam K.

Hi,

Very nice indeed, and certainly not something you see every day.

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Sam

Honestly never thought I would see that! (Except maybe in a few hundred years when the TWM actually may become rare)

Sam

Hi,

Looks to me like the standard 3rd Reich issue loyal service being worn backwards.

Regards,

Sam

Yes, it was sarcasm. Why would you buy a piece that you will not be happy with in the long run? Cheap is nice, but cheap will never appeal to you over time. My advice would be to spend lots of money on one piece. Not lots of pieces for the same money.

So, you buy it. It's not an issue piece. Someday you will want to upgrade and get a better piece. Then you're stuck trying to get rid of something you really didn't want to begin with. Probably, no one else will want it either. So why buy it in the first place?

Hi,

Very well said and sound advice for all collectors.

Regards,

Sam

Hi,

Very nice bar indeed. I really like these laki/civil servant bars. I think they are unique. Thanks for sharing.

Regards,

Sam

No, it's NOT demonic possession...

Hmmm..... I'm begining to wonder........

Actually SEEING R.A.D. officers listed, it is becoming clear that although they wore military style uniforms with military style rank INSIGNIA, their actual FUNCTION (as in the poor guys never got promoted, at all, ever) suggests more of a "civil service" equivalence in actual practice. I had always thought of them as a much more military structure, but that seems not to have been the case. "Rank" went with their JOB... and STAYED with their job--and they STAYED in their job!


Hi,

This is an interesting revelation to me as well. I was always under the impression these guys were structured and promoted along the same lines as the wehrmacht. Especially considering some units fought in combat and some members earned the RK of the EK.

Sam

Hi,

Nice bar (as all you've posted have been). I have a S-A enlisted bar myself, although not with the solid bronze version of the award. It is the only reason I bought the bar actually, as it is a quite common enlisted set up with the not often seen mounted S-A award being what made it unique.

Regards,

Sam K.

Hi,

Fantastic collection,Turkish Orders are my favorite after Imperial German.

Kind regards,

Sam K.

P.S. Do you have any medal bars you could post photos of?

Hi,

Very nice tunic, certainly not one you see everyday.

Regards,

Sam K.

Hello Hendrik,

Thanks for the information, very informative.

Regards,

Sam

Hi,

Not my field either (Belgium), but really nice to see a photo of these in wear. Interesting that these are not assembled into a bar, but worn seperately.

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Sam

Wow!,

His wife even lived to 102!!! Amazing.

Sam

Hi,

Of course there's also the infamous "flat" bottomed ribbon mounting.

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Sam

If we saw that bar on ebay how many people would say fake/put together?

How true!

Regards,Sam

Hi,

Very nice collection. Great to have your grandfathers things. Thanks for posting.

Regards,

Sam K.

Hi,

Thanks for posting this photo as it's not too often I've seen an Imperial Russian medal bar (either in a photo, in reality or last but not least, for sale).

Regards,

Sam