Giannis S.

Fantastic group, and unfortunately outside of my budget.

Excellent & scarce find!

According to this page, it is allowed:

https://www.ebay.com/help/buying/bidding/bid-sniping?id=4224 

The medallion looks fine and I don't see any problems with the construction.

It looks convincing.

I see a "W" on the lower cross arm.

Thanks Rick.

It looks to good to be true.

With some additional research and help, the medal bar is restored.

To my knowledge, only one cross was allowed to be worn.

If so, the third hole does not provide room for another award. 

To me it looks like a second hole for a pinback medal.

19 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

Is that the Oberst z. D. Ziegler who commanded the Landwehr-Bezirks-Kommando Speyer and retired 16 December 1886?

Yes Andreas, this is our man.

Ref:

https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/view/bsb11563462?page=70,71

https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/view/bsb11563462?page=364,365

Going back the Rangliste, I have found this:

Unterleutnant: 31 Oct 1845, 3rd Jaeger Bataillon

Oberleutnant: 23 Dec 1849, 5th Jaeger Bataillon

Hauptmann: 16 May 1859, 5th Jaeger Bataillon

Major: 11 Aug 1870, Commander of the 7th Jaeger Bataillon

Oberstleutnant a.D.: 28 Feb 1874

I have nothing about birth/death dates and/or family.

Ref:

https://www.bavarikon.de/object/bav:BSB-MDZ-00000BSB10484014?p=1&cq=&lang=de

https://www.bavarikon.de/object/bav:BSB-MDZ-00000BSB10376607?p=1&cq=&lang=de

https://www.bavarikon.de/object/bav:BSB-MDZ-00000BSB10376612?p=1&cq=&lang=de

https://www.bavarikon.de/object/bav:BSB-MDZ-00000BSB11038625?p=1&cq=&lang=de

https://www.bavarikon.de/object/bav:BSB-MDZ-00000BSB11313464?p=1&cq=&lang=de

Photo of Oberst z.D. Karl Ziegler, dated February 6, 1887

Medal bar: 
1. Bayern Militär-Verdienstorden, Ritterkreuz 1.Klasse (Bavaria Military Order of Merit, Knight's Cross 1st Class)
2. Kriegsdenkmünze 1870/71 aus Bronze (War Commemorative Medal for Fighters 1870/71)
3. Bayern Armee-Denkzeichen 1866 (Campaign Memorial 1866)
4. Bayern Dienstauszeichnungskreuz 1.Klasse (Long Service Cross 1st Class)
5. Baden Orden vom Zähringer Löwen Ritterkreuz 1.Klasse (Baden Order of the Zähringer Lion Knight's Cross 1st Class)
6. Baden Gedächtnis-Medaille für 1849 (Baden Commemorative medal for 1849)
 

Following entry is from the Militär-Handbuch des Königreiches Bayern 1876. Here he is seen with the DA 2.Klasse.

Ref:

https://www.bavarikon.de/object/bav:BSB-MDZ-00000BSB11331549?p=329&cq=D&lang=de

On 28/01/2024 at 14:17, Stogieman said:

Another 1870 “Grand Cross”, probably the fourth one this guy has sold. Seems to have a never-ending supply of these and “PLM”s, lol

With 30 hours left until the end of the sale, it has reached €815 so far.

18 hours ago, Stogieman said:

I’m assuming you black-lighted the bar?

Yes, does not glow.

3 hours ago, lew said:

 

 

 

Hopefully these two were bought by the same bidder,

At least she says that this is a museum/exhibition piece, made in the 40s or 50s.

It is unevenly stretched. Even the EK2 looks like to have different width of white stripes.

That was my thought about "Beendet" as well. You can't tell the difference. it is more likely that the seller terminated it prematurely.

EK2 ribbon is dirtier than the HHO one. From the back side they look the same. This is not a recent purchase, I've had this for about 20 years.

27 minutes ago, Bernd_W said:

Might be the description. Did it really end without any bid or was it ended bevor bidding ended?

"Beendet" is "Finished" or "Terminated". So, probably it went unnoticed. 

And it's the same as this one, which no one bid on.

On 12/01/2024 at 01:35, lew said:

 

 

 

5-place ribbon bar with:

1. Iron Cross 2nd class

2. Knight's Cross with Swords of the Hohenzollern House Order

3. Prussia, Order of the Red Eagle, 4th Class (probably) 

5. Prussia, 25 Year Long Service Cross for Officers

6. 1897 Centenary Medal