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I know it from the seller....waste sorting! He found it together with a screwback silver WB(also K.M.) marked.Someone has simply thrown them away!!

It's the really hard to get "stamped" maker mark variation.....of course I will keep it!

Micha

And the problem...... :banger: :banger:

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That's why I've bought it....but as longer as I'm looking at it I think the pin is a replacement.

Micha

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I bought this one a while ago-first I thought it was a new pin variation but now it looks for me like a replacement.What do you think?

Micha

Nice "ball crown" K.A.G. have you also got the "wide crown" variation? Unfortunately my example is in very oor condition.

Micha

A perfect "square"! Full score.

Micha

The damage could have also be done from waste sorting! That happened to one of my KMST crosses! And-have you noticed the way of marking? Not the "common" relief marking",the letters are punched in! Bloody hard to find(I'm still searching for one of these...).Well,sometimes you loose and sometimes the others are winning

Micha

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That's a nice one(and a rare bird,too).here's mine-not in best condition but as long I can't find a better one it stays here in my collection.It has also a marking at the backside of the pin.Just a simple "C" or a half circle. The pin is stamped with "800". I've got also an Oldenbrg FA 1st class in my collection with a similar attachment system(but the 2 sidehooks are not horizontal).Maybe they are later added,it#s really hard to tell.

Micha

Reverse-Please notice-the first one(Deumer" is a 3 piece construction,slim and fat 9 are one piece constructions!

The 3 major types of unmagnetic 1914 EK2s

Micha

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From a small local show today......nearly perfect,the gods of iron crosses collecting have been with me!

Micha

No way,Steve....look at the date!

Micha

I'm a bit busy at the moment-sorry! OK-this one is interesting.The core is a "Deumer" one,but I've never seen this kind of pin at one of these crosses. a replacement/repair A use of leftover stocks? Anything is possible! I like it....

Micha

First-my statement "CD 800" is obviously wrong! It's the "800" series of the CD family! To the "souvenier-this Ek is a private purchased one!the case is a patriotic one. I think that everyone could have bought this patriotic cases at the jeweler shops-together with this iron cross.I don't know how the rules for these purchases has been those days,but I think that you had to bring your Soldbuch or something like that to show that you've been awarded with the medal you wanted to buy........pure speculation by me!

Micha

Steve-800v in a complete line at the backplate ? Or an "800" marked Ek with a "v" or a "y" under the pin? And my list includes just the maker marks,not the different kind of stampings or Cores/frames/pins.Otherwise it would have been a bit longer

micha

Classical "slim 9" in really nice condition-there's also a screwback and a 2nd class with this core design.

Micha

So,I've checked all my "suspects".....greg,you are right-a 100% match to all my Godets! Flat one,fangs....the frame is identical-no match to all my Meybauer frames! What ever that means....

Micha

A reverence book should have all the variations......Just to talk about the 1st class it would be thick as the Frankfurt telephone book! And my problem is-I want to have them all! Ask me again when I've finished my collection

Micha

Rich,it looks like(on both Eks).So....I think these Eks are a bit younger as some of us thought! In my opinion we can date them into the late20ies,early 30ies. The pin is unique at '14 Eks,and this kind of frosting can also be found on the "Deumer" variations. The core is a typical example of Meybauer/Godet hardware and of high quality-so totally different to all the other Eks we have put into the same timeframe.

Micha