oamotme

Good morning from Dubai,

An interesting image but not the Order of Marib - when I get back to Riyadh on Monday I'll post a Marib image - there are two versions - the 1964-67 Bichay manufactured award for the Sallal regime ad the 1971 or 1972 version manufactured by Skinner of London. The image you show I have seen a similar black and white version with sash but with a central lions head claiming to be Yemeni, but in the last 20 years with numerous visits to Sana'a and Aden, I have yet to be able to firmly identify this award. From the picture the only part I could argue is symbolic of the Yemen Arab Republic is the 5 pointed green star which is in the centre of the YAR flag. Do you have an image of the reverse or any provenance for this star?

Kind regards, Owain

James,

Thanks for your post - most enlightening - I had assumed, wrongly, that one was merely a modified reestablishment of the other. However your comments concerning the use of a national symbol ring true.

Many thanks,

Owain

Excellent introduction Emannuel - many thanks.

The General Service Medal in miniature often has the clasp "Congo" but I have yet t see this in full size. I have also yet to see it as part of a British group of medals.

The Independence Medal is one of the scarcer ones from the UK series of such awards and I paid some GBP230 for one at auction some years ago.

Regards,

Owain

Yes, I had it for a while - a 2nd class military division, and whilst it pained me to hand it back, there was no way to repair or replace the missing central parts - but at least In had the good sense to take pictures.

I don't have one of these - bah! I was offered one some eight years ago in its case, but it was so badly damaged I could not justify purchasing a lump of scrap!

One day..........

Owain

Excellent Emmanuel - all good stuff.

Owain

Is there a difference between the two, I seen one in Iraq on a twined rope which was enameled green, and the Jordanian made one was red. How can I determine which one is an Iraq Hijaz awarded Order??

Thank you so much for the wonderful help

Lorenzo

Yes, as you note they are two different orders - the former is a six sided award whilst the latter is a multirayed star.

Lorenzo ,

This is the Order of the Renaissance of the Kingdom of the Hijaz - ruled by Faisal's father Hussain Bin Ali and then his brother Ali. After the Hijaz was taken over by Abdul Aziiz Al Saud (later king of Saudi Arabia) this order and the Hijazi Order of Independence became Transjordanian and latterly Jordanian awards under King Abullah - also a brother of Faisal.

Regards,

Owain

Wil,

I attach images of the DRS issue - army and police ribbons.

Owain

Will,

According to the DRS protocol "this order shall be awarded to officers of the People's Arrmed Forces, Police and Prison Officers with variations in ribbons identifying each Force according to the conditions prescribed by the regulations of each Force". Not particularly clear but I would suspect that length of service and meritorious service re key elements in being awarded the DSO. The Original issue appear to be all silver while the DRC issue is of gilt with a silvered central disc.

Regards,

Owain

Wil,

Very nice indeed - good to see the post 1956 DSO is correct for the period with the rhino suspension - I've not seen this issue before although the later Democratic Republic of Sudan issue with the crane.or secretary bird is not uncommon - both are, I believe of Spink manufacture. I suspect the Governor General series might be from the Royal Mint but this needs to be confirmed - if indeed the Royal Minit did make them there should be records of how many of each were made and when.

Regards,

Owain

Lorenzo,

Only two types and you have I believe examples of both.

Owain.

This is the Gallantry Medal I am talking about, I was wondering are these the original ribbons that the medal was awarded with?

Lorenzo

The colours are correct but the older ribbons of a matt or non-watered silk.

Article 4

The regulations for the execution of Law for the Creation of Gallantry and Active Service Medals, No.1 dated 8^th February 1927 are hereby cancelled.

Owain

Are they talking about the Niello style silver Gallantry Medals were replaced with Government manufactured Awards?

Lorenzo

I don't have a copy of this cancelled "regulations" but suspect it was similar to the actual regulations. The Gallantry Medal you refer to and illustrate was replaced with the second type in the 1930's -I'll have to look for the exact date.

Owain.

Lorenzo ,

The instituting law is as follows - enjoy.

Owain

85. We, KING of IRAQ,

With the approval of the Senate and the Chamber of Deputies, do hereby order the enactment of the following Law: -

Article 1.

This Law shall be called “Gallantry and Active Service Medals Law” No. 34 of 1926.

Article 2

Two medals shall be created, the one to be called “Gallantry Medal” and the other “Active Service Medal”. Their designs, colours, ribbons and manner of wearing shall be defined by a special regulation.

Article 3

The Gallantry Medal may be awarded to officers and other ranks who exhibit exceptional gallantry in the battle line.

Article 4

The Active Service Medal may be awarded to officers, other ranks and persons who participate in active military operations which will be defined by the Ministry of Defence.

Article 5

This law shall come into force from the date of its publication in the Government Gazette.

Article 6

The Minister of Defence is charged with execution of this Law.

Made at Baghdad this 20^th day of April, 1926, and the 8^th day of Shawal 1344.

FAISAL

Published in IGG No. 7, 13 February, 1927

50. The wearing of Iraq and Foreign Medals shall be in accordance with the following order, commencing from the right hand side:-

• The Iraq Medal.
• The Gallantry Medal and Active Service Medal.
• Other Iraq Medals.
• Al Nahda Medal.
• The Allies and Friendly Nations Medals and Decorations in order of seniority of date

90. REGULATIONS FOR THE EXECUTION OF LAW FOR THE CREATION OF GALLANTRY AND GENERAL SERVICE MEDALS – “No. 2 OF 1927”



WE, KING of IRAQ


In accordance with Para 1 of Article 26 of the Organic Law and Article 2 of “Law for the Creation of Gallantry and Active Service Medals, No. 34 of 1926” and with the approval of the Council of Ministers, do hereby order the enactment of the following Regulations:-




Article 1

• The Gallantry Medal shall be of the following shape: White silver disc, 1 ¼ inches diameter and 1/16^th inch thickness, with two white triangular silver wings, each composed of eleven feathers attached to its lower sides, the bases of the wings being fixed on the circumference of the disc.
• On one side of the disc shall be written “For Gallantry” and on the other side the name of His Majesty King “Faisal 1”.
• The ribbon from which the medal is suspended shall be as follows: A piece of silk one square inch in size, the middle half of which shall be of dark red and the two side quarters black.
• If the medal is granted more than once, a silver star with seven rays ½ centimetre shall be attached to the middle of the ribbon each time the grant of this medal is repeated, thus one star, two stars, three stars and so forth respectively.

Article 2

• The General Service Medal shall be of the following shape: Bronze disc, 1 ¼ inches diameter and 1/16^th inch thickness, with a crescent at the bottom part and above it circular wreath open at the top. The disc is fixed upon two crossed rifles with their muzzles appearing at the top and their butts at the bottom of the disc.
• The imaginary point of junction is the centre of the disc. At the top of the disc there shall be a radiation of nine lance points with its base fixed on the circumference of the disc and its top attached to the ribbon holder. On one side of the disc inside the wreath shall be written “General Service”(in Arabic) and on the other side the name of His majesty King “Faisal 1” and the Hijrah date of creating the medal.
• The ribbon shall be as follows: A piece of silk, 1 ½ inches long and 1 ¼ inches breadth. The two side quarters of the piece shall be of green colour and the middle half white.
• If the grant of this medal is repeated a silver clasp one-centimetre width shall be fixed to the ribbon on which shall be written the name and date of the campaign. This shall be repeated each time the medal is granted.

Article 3

The General Service Medal shall be worn next to the Gallantry Medal following the Iraq Orders and before of any other Iraq Medals on the left side of the chest.

Article 4

The regulations for the execution of Law for the Creation of Gallantry and Active Service Medals, No.1 dated 8^th February 1927 are hereby cancelled.

Article 5

These regulations shall take effect from the date of their publication in the Iraq Government Gazette.

Article 6

The Ministers are charged with execution of these Regulations.

Made at Baghdad this 19^th day of March, 1927, and the 16^th day of Ramadhan, 1345.

FAISAL

Lorenzo,

No idea as to how many were awarded but whilst the clasp Southern Kurdistan is scarce, with patience, it will appear - the other clasps are like hen's teeth.The medal and clasps are as follows::

Obverse

General Service

الخدمة العامة

Al Khidmat Al A`ama

Reverse

Faisal The First 1344

فيصل الأول 1344

Faisal Al `Awal

Clasp

Southern Kurdistan 1930-31

كردستان الجنوبية 1930 - 31

Kurdistan Al Jenubiya

Barzan 1932

بارزان 1932

Barzan

Tiyareen Campaign 1933

حركات التيارين 1933

Harkat Al Tiyareen

Euphrates Campaign 1935

حركات الفرات 1935

Harkat Al Furat

Euphrates Campaign 1936

حركات الفرات 1936

Harkat Al Furat

Regards,

Owain

Lorenzo,

Please accept my apologies for confusing the prices paid for these medals. As you rightly say the time to buy was in the mid-1990s and indeed I was fortunate to build up the bulk of my collection then and prior to the 2003 invasion. It would appear that following 2003 Iraqi awards became more popular and as demand increased supply decreased the few vendors in Baghdad have decided to milk us, the collectors, for what they can - and of course I cannot blame them for doing so. Prices from Iraqi sources do not reflect prices in Europe or US. However the dilemma that collectors face is that we are usually unable to forgo the opportunity of further acquisitions for financial prudence. I have colleagues in Kabul who suffer from the same dilemma. Indeed Afghan awards are even less researched than Arab awards and have little or no value in the West - relatively speaking. There is a vendor in Dubai of such awards amongst loads of other jewellery and junk - he is an Afghan and his attitude, very similar to vendors in Iraq and some I have known in Yemen, is that as Westerner you can afford to pay (and preferably through the nose)! Of course there are only relatively few collectors of Arab or indeed Iraqi awards and I try and manage vendors expectations by only ever buying one example of each award thereby making sure the vendor will not expect me to buy anything and everything - if only my pocket would allow me to do so.

This coming weekend I had planned to go hunting for medals in Sana' and then decided that visiting Yemen was not a good idea and then planned to go to Cairo - again not a good idea, and thus I am off to Muscat - a nice place but next to no medals!

Kind regards,

Owain

Lorenzo,

A steep price to pay for what is stil not a too difificult medal to get and I am sure you already have one - overr GBP500 which is too much. Beware of forcing prices up!

The pale green is the orginal Iraqi issue ribbon and to my mind more attractive that the later dark green British issue/accepted ribbon.

I suspect the fading is just contact with metal over the years..........

Notwithstanding my moaning about your generosity to Iraqi dealers, you do a good job in keeping the iraqi interest going - many thanks,

Owain

Good morning from Riyadh,

I cannot make out all of the texts but I would hazard identification as follows:

Top Row:

Morrocco - Civil Merit

Syria - Unofficial Ba'ath Party Commemorative

Israel - text looks Hebrew

Egypt - Regimental

Second Row

Jordan - Ramadan War

Iraq - 1948 War

UAR - Alexandria Footbal Club(?)

Spain - Mehduia Order

Regards,

Owain

Will,

My guys have had a look but it is unclear - if you can clean the rim and send clearer images..... the last two words appear to be Al Sudan Al Malikiya ..."Royal Sudan"?

Owain

Will,

The Sudan Medal appears to read "1357 - 13 Bn"

The Long Service Decoration is more difficult but I think the name is "Hussain Effendi" - rank and unit is more difficult - I can also make out the word "Sudan" - I'll get some of my Arab staff to look tomorrow.

Great group...........

Owain

Will,

The gilt one with the maroon ribbon is, I believe, Saddam's prize (order) for art - 1st Class - the second class is of silver with a blue ribbon - both are nicely made pieces and the earlier ones have a year date on a suspension link - Italian or Swiss manufacture(?).

The top left trio are the Order of Arts & Sciences - in total four grades gilt and silver large and small - instituted 1996 (?) and locally made. There is also a science order (1999?) - again locally made, but these series of awards is very confusing and difficult to work out which are state orders and which are annual prizes but which are also worn - very confusing. There is also a 1988 Saddam Appreciation Order which also covers academc (literary, artistc, scientific ) success or merit

What is the medal with the orange or red ribbon?

Regards,

Owain.

Will,

Excellent displays - I note you even have a couple of UAE awards 15h Anniversary and a Long Service medals.

Thanks for sharing.

Owain

Ah ha! It appears that we both have examples sourced from Aberdeen Medals! Congratulations!

Well we now know that at least three of these medal exist - the aforementioned group - location unknown, and the two residing in our respective collections.

All we need now is to obtain a copy of the decree instituting the award.....

Kind regards,

Owain

Ilja,

From the style - the bevelled edge and intergral loop I would suggest that this is a souvenir piece perhaps for a keyring?

Owain.