Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen,

is there any photo of this officer out there ? Would love to see it.

Thanks in advance !

Best regards;

Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen,

this looks to me like an Imperial Hirschf?nger with a black handle adorned with a crowned W.

I have never seen such a piece. Is there anybody with an idea what kind of edged weapon we are looking at ?

Thanks for any help.

Regards;

Dutch

Hello Igor,

did you had any success with your request or anywhere else ?

Right now I?m working on a book about German Imperial Naval daggers and I?m also looking for a photo or infos about Wenninger.

Would be great to hear from you.

Большое спасибо заранее.

Best;

Dutch

Gentlemen,

for several reasons we put the article about the German Volunteer Automobile-Corps and the Volunteer Aero-Corps together:

http://www.germanautoandaerocorps.com/

Enjoy !

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen,

after hours of work our site is online now:

www.aerocorps.de

We would like to say thank you very much for all your great support !

Any thoughts greatly appreciated !

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Hi all,

we still need a little bit more time.

In a few days everything will be arranged. Please keep in mind that we are doing this on a non-profit base. Just a strange hobby for two dagger enthusiasts.

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen,

we are working hard to bring our article into the internet for all of you to enjoy. If everything works well, the site will be ready this weekend.

Unknown facts from the early Prussian aviation, daggers, uniforms, history, simply everything. It is the first story based on historical facts covering nearly every aspect about this subject.

I will update this post with the link to our website as soon as possible.

Thanks for looking !

Don?t miss it !!

Best regards;

Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen,

is there any snippet of information out there about German or Prussian ships of the Napoleonic Wars ?

We are in need of simply everything. Ships names, uniforms etc.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated !

Thank you very much in advance.

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen,

just a few thoughts about the maker mark without the serifs.

I think the maker mark on Vic?s badge is correct. There is an interesting offer on http://www.germaniainternational.com/kmiscellaneous.html . A spoon and a fork is offered. Both are marked with H.Schaper http://www.germaniainternational.com/image...rkimpregt05.jpg . There are no serifs on this maker mark !

The spoon and fork are genuine and period, imo, I?ve seen a lot like this. The spade pattern (Spatenmuster) of the grip was very common in that time. The marking IF 148 stands for Infanterie Regiment 148 (not J?ger... ).

This is the Westpreussisches Infanterie Regiment 148. In my Imperial ranklist Hauptmann Grau is listed as an officer of that regiment. I think this is a proof that the non-serif maker mark is correct and from the time around 1912. I?m not saying that the one with serifs are bad, just thinking that the one posted is genuine as well. Just a few thoughts.

Best;

Dutch

Would you like a photo of the document to the Driver of Prins Bernhard? The later Prince of the Netherlands?

Dank U well !

Thank you very much.

Best;

Flyingdutchman

great site, it looks great and has much information, drivers aren't really a side of this time-period you hear about, so quite special if you ask me.

I myself work in an old car museum where we have the car of Kaiser Wilhelm II, but also other German cars from this periode and ww2(such as sir Winston Churchill his car), so therefore I am very interested in your site of course.

Goedemiddag!

that sounds very interesting ! Any chance to get a nice pic of Wilhelms car for our site ? Is it from the time of his exile in Huis Doorn ? Or maybe earlier ?

Dank U wel !

Flyingdutchman

Would you like a photo of the document to the Driver of Prins Bernhard? The later Prince of the Netherlands?

Gentlemen,

thanks for your nice comments ! I?m the German Co-author of Vic and both of us appreciate your statements.

Herr General, we are interested for sure ! That is the reason why the Addendum exists. If you want, please email it to me through the site or use this adress, please:

info@kaiserlicherautomobilclub.de

Please add your name if you wish, so we can credit you for your support. Thanks in advance !

We really need highres pics, this is in the pipeline right now. But we are very busy with the following Aero Corps article. Incredibly infos we found about early aviation: German stealth airplanes in 1916, for example. Photo of the FIRST four German Milit?rflieger from D?beritz, Lugers, Richthofens uniform, Immelmanns plm etc.

Thanks for looking to our site !

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Ivory grip detail. Thanks for looking !

Hanoveranian horse ...

anchor detail ...

Gentlemen,

here comes a dagger I can?t judge.

I have contacted Kurt Glemser and he is thinking that this dagger could be an English navy dagger and probably was made for their Hanoveranian members. The dagger has a genuine ivory grip and shows age, but has been heavily cleaned.

Any thougts on this greatly appreciated !

Thanks in advance.

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Hi Doc,

after my posting I understood your message.

Gentlemen,

I appreciate your input. Thanks a lot !

I will read through my books, maybe I can find it somewhere.

However still asking for the thoughts of the fellow members here.

Thanks in advance !

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Here is a link to a Luftschiff cockpit:

http://www.pilotundluftschiff.de/lz127cockpit.htm

Thoughts ?

Best;

Dutch

Hi all,

Soviet ? No ! Crossed prop and the prussian crown and eagle with the "Reichsfarben" black/white/red ?? This is Aero Club. But why there is a steering wheel and the wings ? Luftschiffe ? Maybe. They had control sticks ? Not sure.

My idea was Prince Henry races and flights 1913 and 1914 ? German Volunteer Automobile-Corps members and Aero Club members participated. Vic Diehl and I want to feature this badge in our Aero-Corps article. Not a good idea without any special knowledge what it really is... Luftschiffe, maybe.

Thanks for your help !

Best regards;

Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen,

what kind of badge is this ?

I believe it has something to do with the German Aero Club and German Volunteer Automobile-Corps.

Maybe a badge from the Prinz Heinrich races ? Both paramilitary organizations participated in those races.

Would be great to hear the thoughts of the fellow members.

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen.

Vic Diehl and I have written an article about the German Imperial Automobile Corps.

It will appear in the US Militaria Magazine in the October issue.

We are also in contact with the German Deutsche Waffen Journal and the French Gazette des Uniforms.

More than 60 pages with Automobiles, History, Bayonets, Broom handle Mausers, Reichsrevolvers, Uniforms, Lugers and Daggers !

We included a lot of never published infos. We hope it will be the future reference for collectors interested in the Kaiserliche Automobil-Club and Deutsches Freiwilligen Automobil-Corps.

The whole article will be available in the internet in the next year - for free, of course.

Now we are writing about the

German Imperial AERO Club.

or

Kaiserlicher AERO Club

If a fellow member here is able to provide us with infos about the AERO CLUB, it would be fantastic !

We are doing this for free. It?s our hobby and we want to share the knowledge about these mostly forgotten organizations.

Please post it here or pm Vic Diehl or me.

Thanks in advance !

Best regards;

Jerry aka Flyingdutchman

Add one more possibility-- the

Deutsche Seemannsschule in Hamburg, which fits for location. I'm not sure if that was THE "official" Merchant Marine Academy or a private school.

Any visible "rank" badges will clarify things.

Gentlemen,

I have contacted the Deutsche Seemannsschule. It is nowadays a foundation.

Unfortunately they claimed that neither the cadet/officer on the photo nor the dagger had something to do with the Deutsche Seemannsschule. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Vic,

great research on an interesting dagger.

Thanks for posting !

Gruss

Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen,

here is the answer from Alcoso.

sorry f?r die etwas l?ngere Wartezeit, aber wir mu?ten erst mal suchen.

Als Anlage ein Bild mit den verschieden Variationen des Firmenzeichens und einer zeitlichen Aufstellung.

Bis Bild 18 wurden die Zeichen bis 1936 genutzt.

Bild 21 bis 24 1936 bis 1944.

Vieleicht hilft Ihnen das irgendwie weiter.

MfG

U. Scharnweber

ALCOSO

He said that the logos til #18 were used until 1936 and #21-24 from 1936 until 1944. I?m confused now.

Best;

Flyingdutchman

Gentlemen,

thanks for your input.

Though waiting for the answer from the Alcoso company, I am becoming more and more sure that this blade is simply a reproduction.

It?s a sad story. I bought this dagger in the early 90?s from a well known collector in Germany. I had absolutely no knowledge on the subject.

I never checked the markings. For me it was pretty obvious that this dagger was a genuine item. Everything was there. The etched damascus blade, wonderful presentation, nice fittings and - markings. Never had the faintest idea that this item could be a fake, because the seller was well known. All other daggers I own were examined by highly experienced collectors - except this one. Bad luck. However my fault. I had 15yrs to check this one, I never did until now.

I tossed this spare part Frankenstein out of the collection now. Sorry for bothering you with this tourist trinket.

Thanks again for your help.

Best regards;

Flyingdutchman