Lapa

Well, I find the word uncomfortable too, but every person I have seen that sells Bulgarian ODM uses the word "emmission" as opposed to "edition", "type", etc...

I guess it was the old when in Bulgaria.......

I personally use the term "issue" which I think is in line with what "emission" is supposed to mean.

Marc

Yep - but it's not (yet) reached the stage of $100 a barrel oil that Mongolian, Soviet, etc. have reached... I'm fearful of NK collecting though... Yemen / Uganda are much more contained areas of collecting I have the impression

Let's simply say, less Chinese entrepreneurship in those last 2

Marc

I've been thinking about this too. Technically Guards Badges weren't awards but unit insignia, so if a soldier left a guards unit to join a non-guards unit, I assume he had to give the badge back to the guards unit (the same applying for retired or demobilised conscripted personnel). So after the war, when millions of conscripts left military service, they had to give their Guards Badges back and the state was stuck with millions of badges. Did the state just recycle these after the war and hand them out to new guardsmen? Or could all men who left a guards unit or military service keep their Guards Badges?

Auke,

As far as I know, servicemen kept their badges when they left their units/service.

Marc

...Perhaps I'll leave Soviet for what it is and look more towards Yemen, Uganda or North Korea (the more obscure the better )

Hum, Bob, don't tell anyone, but North Korea has been on collectors' radars for a while now Stick to your first two suggestions.

Marc

Eureka ! I think I've got it (and if I do, what a great 100th post it will be)!

The HMS L55 was a British submarine which was sunk off the cost of Tallinn after engaging soviet ships. It is unclear whether the sub was sunk by a mine or hostile fire (in which case, it would be the only British vessel ever sunk by a soviet ship). The remains of the crew members were returned to the HMS Champion by the merchant ship Truro. In 1928, the soviets raised the ship and repaired it. It entered service in the Red Navy as the Bezbozhnik (Atheist), and was used as a training ship until it was damaged. The sub also served as a model for the soviet L class submarine. It was scrapped in the 50's.

The ship's original captain was Lieutenant C.M.S. Chapman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_L55

http://www.memorials.inportsmouth.co.uk/ch...dral/baltic.htm

-Alex

Alex,

Congratulation, this is indeed the right answer, and nice to get it on your 100th post!

I apologize for the delay taken to confirm your right answer, business sometimes becomes a priority.

So, the next question is yours

Marc

What betrays the ORB as fake?

Paul,

Basically everything about it: mintmark, serial number engraving, details in the leaves on the front, screwpost, screwpost base, shape of the flag-pole among other things.

Marc

So, I just leave for a couple of days, and sparks start flying all over! (well, almost)

Christian, nice summing up of hints, should I add "as usual".

I believe that you guys are definitely on the right track; now, let's remember that the international community extends beyond simply Germany

RedMaestro, good to see you here! Very nice suggestions you have made so far, unfortunately, close but no cigar.

Marc

Hello Marc,

I think it is not your mistake if nobody can answer the question..

Your answers are very clear.

What happened to the vessel? First Idea is. Museum because famous ships are often used as a memorial or museum.

What was the name of the vessel ? It must be well known.

Same with the captain.

The ship must have got something special.

Unfortunately I am under the control of my new boss so I cannot use the internet very much.

If I would use our library for naval topics the boss will ask stupid Questions because my job is dealing with tanks.

at the moment.

I think that we are not reading the questions properly and we are not using our brain enough.

Perhaps you should ask another question without giving the answer for this one. So anybody can try to answer the question

about the vessel. (without having the right to ask a new one).

regards

Frank

OK guys, roger that!

Let's just keep with it for a little while longer, and I'll give you a couple more hints (if this one doesn't do it, I will never ever again collect anything Soviet (well, maybe not quite, but you get the idea)).

. Our ship has an international flavor

. It had "several lives"

Marc

Would you not agree that the sabre hilt and the serial number of the MMM are incompatable?

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIAN-SOVIET-ORDER-M...1QQcmdZViewItem

Which brings me to the all too convenient lack of serial number on the later MMM....

Bogus 4 sided suspension MMM = bogus group. Possible genuine booklet and rest of group but I'd stay away.

Any contributions?

Jim

Jim,

I agree with you, the early medal is bad. It should have enamel, not lacquer, handle shold be rounded, and the ring should be much smaller than what it is. IMHO, it is a later medal that was "upgraded".

Marc

Hello,

the question was asked on March 25th. Now it is April 10th. Very long time. Live is short. If we go on like this...

Sorry to have bored you. I will have another look here by the end of the month.

Until then

Frank

Frank,

There has not been much visible action, that's for sure

So what do you want me to do, give the answer ???

Marc

I emailed the victim and told him about the fake and I hope he can get his money back!!!!

I'll let you know what comes of it....

JC

ps. I'm strangely angry about this!!

Well, I happened to do the same yesterday. Don't really know why, just felt compelled to do it, somehow...

Marc

Looks royal blue to me.

Jeff,

I've been fooled a few times with pictures in the past, so let's wait for Bryan to tell us what color it really is.

Marc

This color blue piping may make it an engineering branch of the NKVD (the "engineer" device for Air Force is a propeller/piston combo) in which case you would want a blue topped NKVD cap to go with it. I have this tunic's twin, here compared with a standard army engineer tunic.

Jeff,

That is, provided the piping on the jacket is royal blue, not light blue.

Marc

That?s could work???

ARM-019 G-5 Torpedo Boat

Summary

In the early 1930s the USSR began mass production of a «mosquito fleet» consisting of aluminum torpedo boats that had high speeds of around 50-55 knots. Development of this project was carried out by the special design bureau of the noted aircraft designer A.N. Tupolev. After building prototype models, series production of the first boats, which were armed with 457mm torpedoes, commenced under the designation Sh-4.

The creation of a new type of boat which was more responsive to the needs of the Soviet Navy was completed in 1933. It was accepted for service under the designator «G-5». This boat was armed with two 533mm torpedoes. Initially, series production was carried out at the «A. Marti» factory in Leningrad, but later on it was also carried out at a number of other factories. Ignoring a number of difficulties which arose during the decade-long production run, more than 200 boats were built to the design specification in several series.

The G-5 type comprised the bulk of the light forces of the Soviet Navy during the 1930s. Intensive use of the boats revealed a number of specific shortcomings, some of which could not be remedied. The crews of the boats made intensive use of their new technology. The designers improved the boats, creating a number of models and modifications, including a radio-controlled variant. It was proposed to use boats which did not pass final acceptance inspections for the RC role.

The G-5 boats took part in the Civil War in Spain, the Second World War, and the Korean War. During the years of the Great Patriotic War (World War II) boats of this type received various armament configurations, including rockets. Despite the heroism shown by their crews, combat victories scored by these boats were not many in number. They took part in operations in the Baltic and Black Seas, as well as in the Pacific Ocean, where they carried out torpedo attacks, laid minefields, landed troops and escorted convoys. As was the case with U.S. patrol and torpedo (PT) boats and British motor torpedo boats (MTB), the main enemy targets turned out to be trawlers, high-speed landing barges, and enemy torpedo boats, rather than battleships and cruisers.

Combat operations revealed many shortcomings in the design of the G-5. They were particularly vulnerable to air attack. After the war the boats were used for training, as they were replaced in the fleets by new, more modern combat models. Several of the G-5 class boats survive today as memorials to the courage of their crews in the war against fascism.

48 pages, 92 photos, 6 schemes

Illustrations

1. G-5 number 16 torpedo boat. Northen fleet, 1942

2. G-5 Altaech. Baltic fleet, 1-st division of motor torpedo-boats, 1945

Miguel,

G-5 torpedo boats were 24m long

Back to the drawing board

Marc

Dear Marc,

I guess, that the vessel might have been of German design ?

I only found that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truro_(ship) about "Truro" in internet .

Well, the ship is rather small - a destroyer or submarine ...

Best regards

Christian

Christian,

Interesting line of thinking...

Marc

Well, it seems that my hints did not help much so far

Here's a few more

. We are looking for a vessel whose length is over 50 but under 100 meters

. It was a kind of "prototype" from which a whole series was later developed

Marc

To all:

The Hero City of Tula was awarded its title on December 7th, 1976 and presented with Hero Star serial number 11,422 (seen below). 10 years earlier, in December 1966, Tula was awarded the Order of Lenin (serial number 382,180) for its citizens' contributions to the Nazi defeat.

Regards,

slava1stclass

Moscow's Hero star.

Marc

Hey Marc,

Wasn't said earlier that there were orders for people that were not presented because there whereabouts were unknown?

Paul

Paul,

That may have happened, but I think that it was more the exception than the rule. What we mostly see here are orders that were returned to the State upon a recipient's death.

Marc

UNLESS you demand sources auf Deutsch but why is this so for Mongolian awards ?

For the same reasons some others demand sources in English

hello, never the Mint did such such a deep engraved number...

and the pebling ("lunar landscape") reveals heavy polishing.

And nice signs of casting

Marc

Dear Friends.

I would like to share with my Research to Major Vasili Vasilievich Osipienko

Recipient of Order of Patrioyic War 1st Class S/N9847

Once again I would like to ask you gentlemen to help me with translation of this research.

Rick ( koopyetz)will help me topost research and with translation.

Kristof,

PM sent.

Marc

Poo on me for editing...

Nevermind...

There are two standards terms that can be used:

. МУЛЯЖ (copie)

. ФУФЛО (fake)

Marc

slava1stclass,

your first post is from April the first. Is there any connection to the date?

regards

Andreas

Andreas,

I don't think so. The Soviets were quite efficient at storing almost anything, as a few amazing items I've seen tend to prove.

Marc

...I am taking it that the later style OLs were for people that could not be found. What are the odds... That would really stink.

Paul,

I am not sure what you mean here ?!?

By law, orders and medals had to be returned to the State upon death of the recipient up until 1977.

Marc

Can anyone give me an ideal of what service and branch wore these and what time period they are from. I got these back in 1993 in Hungary from a friend who got them while he was in Russia. Thanks,

Bryan

Bryan,

That would be for a private infantryman 1950's to end of 1960's if memory serves me right.

Marc