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Here is a few that I had bought back in 2000 from a member of this forum,
Bryan
Bryan,
You realize that quite a few of the medals you show have replacement/fake suspensions, don't you?
Marc
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Hallo Gents,
I spotted this on offer online and wondered how do you go about dating such pieces:
Are they purely commemorative issued, or bought long after the event.
Kevin in Deva
Kevin,
The French have a long tradition - since the early 1600's at least - of issuing medals commemorating specific events. All of them were struck at the Paris Mint.
Now, there is a slight twist to the story, namely that the Mint still retains all of the original dies. In other terms, you can order today a restrike of, say, a Louis XIV medal, and they will do it (at of cost, of course). The key to identifying originality and period of strike is the presence or absence of those pesky mintmarks on the edge, and when present, which on it actually is.
Marc
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Stogieman,
This document is a diploma for completing a course of training (Sport Instructor in Wrestling).
I don't believe that the recipient was given a badge with this diploma.
Marc
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would be a great award for an uniform collector to decorate uniforms
Hipnos,
That is a 3rd class that has been "upgraded". The original SN was erased (a bid sloppily as you can still make up the leftover of a digit at the left of the fake SN), then the faker engraved the new SN; interestingly, he engraved it with a strong slant in order to reuse and cover the traces of the erased digits.
Marc
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I?m offered a veriety of Slava 3th clas: Numbers: 801577, 452.748. 211285, 445.076 and 340.117...the last one have the booklet but the price is double of the others 3th.classes...
Do you accept better the one with the booklet or the lowest nr. of the others...half the price...
Thanks
Miguel
Miguel,
The scarcest variety of the lot is the highest numbered one, 801577.
Marc
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Verdun16,
Nice one
Could you please post the first pages of the award booklet.
Marc
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Marc,
Any chance to get a question ?
Ch.
Here we go, Christophe.
If you don't mind, I propose to bend the rules a little bit for this one question, in order to try and attract new blood to the quizz: I propose that until Thursday 12/6 24:00 GMT, only those who have never participated to our quizz be allowed to answer it; from 13/6 at 00:01 GMT, it will be fair game for all.
So, that being said, this should be an extremely simple question.
In the 1980's, two journalists from different sides of the Iron Curtain came up with - let's call it - "an innovative concept".
1. What was the name of that "concept"
2. Who were those two journalists? (please try and provide a succinct biography)
Happy hunting
Marc
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And the reverse
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Hallo Marc,
can you elaborate on your comments, seems usairforce does not understand what your comment means.
Kevin in Deva.
Right, Guys, let's play "Spot the differences" and you should be able to readily understand what I mean
Marc
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Maybe made by those loonies who are still selling their invented Supreme Soviet of the USSR imaginary government "awards?"
Rick,
This one is legitimate. A couple of years ago, leftovers were sold at the Mint shop in St Petersburg.
Marc
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It would be, if...
Marc
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...In particular, I've also done favors off-line for many (most?) of the forum subscribers here - in particular, Ed Haynes and Christophe with other things, but not limited to free, professional translations....
Apparently, I must be one of the few unlucky ones, as no one made me any on or off-line favors (yet...
)Marc
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Thanks guys! I've been away from this for too long. Too busy working but I'm pulling back a bit... changing one of my jobs and hoping to have more time for such enjoyable things from here on out.
I'd like to pass this one on to Lapa (Marc) if he'd like to run with it as I'll still be under the gun till at least this coming Friday. But very happy to be close to being back in the saddle again.
Dan
Dan,
Congratulations on this good answer, and thank you for giving me the opportunity to ask the next question (yeah, right...
)Give me a few moments to think of something interesting.
Marc
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The Orders Book number is another name? It certainly does not look scrubbed the way we usually see such frauds...
Rick,
Most likely, the original entries were chemically "washed away" in such a way as to not erase or damage the underprint, then new entries were written.
For a long time already, fakers do not mechanically remove writing as it is too obvious to detect.
Marc
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It is an identity pass for Grigory Andreevich Spyelov/Spielov of Divisional Hospital ("Divgospital") Company, XXth Rifles Division.
Rick,
It is more than a simple ID pass, it happens to be his Military ID, the forerunner to the Voenniy Bilet.
Marc
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Hello Marc,
In one of your posts, I've read "...The Russian Ministry of Culture has recently published a fairly lavish book that lists all the serial numbers of such stolen orders and medals (I had it in my hands, A4 format and a couple of hundred pages) with details about their disappearance...".
Where would this book be available, or downloadable?
Thank you very much for your help,
Elmar Lang
Elmar,
Off hand, I can't tell you. I'll have a look around and let you know.
Marc
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...Willing buyer, willing seller, agreed price -- offer, acceptance, consideration -- who else's business is it? The state's? Are you kidding?...
Marc
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...Yet the Putin government asserts that ALL awards ever made by the Soviet Union are its sole property ALONE, and FOREVER...
Rick,
Let's try to keep passion and opinions out of this debate, if we can.
Now, can you please show me concrete evidence of what you wrote above in the quote.
I have been living in Russia for the best part of the past 7 years, and I cannot for the life of me find anything in print or in video which states what you say, other than opinions. Since the claim is "so well established" and incriminates the Government itself, it must be based upon a declaration by a top official, or some ministry publication, or ???
Marc
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yes, it is a stunning little thing!
i realized that i neglected to provide the measurements: 35mm x 20mm.
Eric,
It means that this is a miniature, not the full-sized cross. Amazing nevertheless
Marc
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I understand that this discussion opens many problems on how "legal" phaleristic collecting could be.
Let's say my thought in simple words:
what could happen if -in the western world- a group of Soviet orders would be offered for sale at an auction? I mean with well visible and indicated serial numbers, etc.
In the recent past, I've seen that in at least two auctions (f.e. Basel, Switzerland, January 2007) all soviet pieces have been withdrawn from the sale.
In November 2007, at the NY Markov auction, all numbers were clearly visible and nothing happened. At a recent Auction in Hamburg, the reverse of all Soviet orders was visible, but the numbers were covered with some "X".
Could be a risk, if a collector would sell at auction his USSR pieces, collected in the 80s-90s?
A Russian dealer, recently warned a western European auctioneer on not to show or quote any serial number on his catalogues (except sentences like "4-digit number" or "with serial number", etc.), to avoid a serious reaction from the Russian Government.
I think that this warning is very strange, because either the number is quoted or not, Russian authorities could react the same...
I'm lost...
Elmar Lang
Elmar,
I think that so far, everyone has provided the actual bits and pieces of this puzzle.
First, we need to remember one thing: the law is country specific (despite what some may believe/think). This means that Russian Law applies everywhere on Russian territory, but only on Russian territory. If you are not there, you must abide by your local law, not that of a foreign country (hence, for instance, you can legally buy and sell a US Medal of Honor in Italy or in Peru).
Next the issue of stolen orders and medals. I believe that this is actually the heart of the matter at hand. Let's try and keep politics and opinions aside, and try to have a depassionate look at this issue.
Some Soviet orders and medals have been stolen from:
a) their actual recipients (some of them - Admiral Kholostyakov for example - being murdered in the process)
b) the State Award Repository (OMDs either not issued and/or numbered)
c) various museums, from the largest one - Central Museum of the Armed Forces in Moscow- down to small countryside museums
d) collectors and others - these are irrelevant to this discussion
Like it or not, the fact is that some orders in our collections do come from the first 3 categories. What is the problem with these? They have been stolen from their rightful owners.
The Russian Ministry of Culture has recently published a fairly lavish book that lists all the serial numbers of such stolen orders and medals (I had it in my hands, A4 format and a couple of hundred pages) with details about their disappearance.
As far as I know, in most countries - and especially so in the US, if I accurately recall my legal classes - title cannot be released and transfered on stolen goods; I find it somewhat ironic when it is argued that:
No! In this case, we are NOT kidding, it is indeed the State's business (actually, multiple states are/should be involved)."Willing buyer, willing seller, agreed price -- offer, acceptance, consideration -- who else's business is it? The state's? Are you kidding?"If we look back impartially on the Sotheby's fiasco, we must remember that the Russian government did not ask that all lots of Soviet OMDs on that auction be withdrawn; they requested that specific lots be withdrawn, lots which happened to fall into one of the first 3 categories I outlined above - for example, the Order of Ushakov 1st class #125, which was unissued and had been "liberated" from the Order repository.
Until recently we were standing in the dark, with no way to know if our orders and medals were legitimate or if they were stolen property. Since the Ministry of Culture published its list, the situation has drastically changed, although no one really seems to care about that.
I hope that this clears up somewhat the issue.
Marc
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First ORS. Is this an MZPP variation?
Alex,
It is, and a nice one too
Marc
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Could this be the same source that had problems with the FBI a few years back?Perhaps, one "Well known to the East Coast collecting community"? on eBay?
Perhaps whose name rhymes with "Snider" (the rifle).
???
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Given the source, I did not bother to ask. They have a long history of offering questionable pieces.
However Soviet pieces are a newer arena for them.... usually it's just fake WW2 German... now they're into fake Soviet as well. You know what they say... Diversify or die.
Could someone please provide some less cryptic clues for those of us not overly knowledgeable as to the identity of this dealer.
Marc
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some FFL Badges
in France
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Hassemilitaria,
Could you please clarify what you mean by FFL. From what I can see, you have some modern Foreign Legion badges, some qualification badges, but nothing from WW2 "Forces Francaises Libres".
Marc