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Jim,
Wouldn't this be Gary Powers' U2 that was shot down on 01 May 1960 while on a spying flight from Pakistan to Norway?
As far as I remember, Powers parachuted out when his plane was shot down over Sverdlovsk by a SAM-2 ground-air missile while being trailed by a Mig-21 and was captured upon landing. He was captured, and then tried publicly before being exchanged for Colonel Rudolf Abel.
Marc
Forgot to add that the remnants are on display at the Central Armed Forces Museum in Moscow.
Marc
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After a few weeks pause, we're all ready to get going.
QUESTION 172 (01/2008 Quiz)
An american plane resides in Russia. A close up of part of this aircraft is attached below:
Specifically:
a) What is the aircraft and under which circumstances did it make Russia its new home?
b) Name any Russian hardware that may have been used to facilitate this operation.
c) What was the pilot's fate?
d) Where in Russia can this aircraft still be found?
Bonus question:
e) Can anyone post any other photos of this aircraft in its home in Russia.
Its not a hard one.... so good luck! I'll confirm the winner when the right answer to questions "a-d" are given. Question "e" is not necessary but is just there as an additional bonus.
Jim
Jim,
Wouldn't this be Gary Powers' U2 that was shot down on 01 May 1960 while on a spying flight from Pakistan to Norway?
As far as I remember, Powers parachuted out when his plane was shot down over Sverdlovsk by a SAM-2 ground-air missile while being trailed by a Mig-21 and was captured upon landing. He was captured, and then tried publicly before being exchanged for Colonel Rudolf Abel.
Marc
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This is the document which has sparked my main interest? brown leather(ette) on the outside (therefore must be important?) with a faded picture of star on top, a bow or propeller underneath it and then a depiction of a solder (?) and uighur script around it? this doesn't feel like your typical a dime a dozen award booklet? underneath it (unrelated I presume) a small black booklet for?..?
Bob,
I confirm that the black-covered document is for the Halkin Gol badge; I have a similar one.
Marc
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Reverse.
Wild Card,
These new photos don't help. I need to see original hi-res on which details are sharp.
Marc
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Here is one for comparison. Different construction, looks a bit fresh, came with a rather large group... all comments are welcome.
Wild Card
Wild Card,
Your looks more like what it should be, especially the screwplate.
Any chance you can post some hi-res scans of the front, back and edges.
Marc
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Hi,
the picture in Post 4 is very small, and I cannot identify the colours.
Is this such a bar, or is it from another period?
Regards
Uwe
Uwe,
The ribbon is definitely the right one. As to the suspension itself, I have some serious doubts, as yours seem to be cast. To make the Navy Guard badge, the Mint used suspensions for the Order of Nevsky, which were struck.
If you could post some higher resolution, individual scans of your badge, it would be great.
Marc
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Hi Marc,
It was displayed in a "private" exhibition of the Russian Navy, that was held in St Petersburg, two year ago, on the occasion of a Naval Show. I could only guess it is from the Central Naval Museum, but real chances are it is from the collection of one of those hundreds of "private" museums that each industry, military administration... owns.
As already said, nice to se you here, BTW.
Cheers.
Ch.
Hi christophe,
Good to be here too
Marc
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Here is a pic of one, taken in St Petersburg.
Ch.
Christophe,
From which Museum is this one?
Marc
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Any idea what the ribbon under the Red Star is?
Bryan,
That is the original Navy Guards badge; it is pretty rare as it was used only for a couple of years before they swiched to the regular oval type.
This guy has a nice set of awards, with both the Defense of Odessa and Defense of Sevastopol medals
Marc
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Bryan,
It is one of the "Honored" series .... at least that is what it purports to be
I am afraid that this is not quite the real deal, unfortunately.
Marc
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Here is my Mongolian Major of Infantry Victory parade tunic. Any chance of locating a brown "sam brown style leather belt with the brass open face buckle with the mongolian symbols inside of it for this uniform? I had a chance years ago to buy one but I did not know what it was!
Happy Hunting!
Vince
Vince,
I concur with the previous opinions that were voiced. This is NOT a Mongolian uniform, but a M43 Soviet one. Just a few details:
. Buttons should not have the hammer and sickle
. Shoulder boards should be 5-sided, and should have Mongolian grid-like patterns instead of stars
. Collar devices should be only cloth tabs, no metallic ones
Do not waste your money purchasing a Mongolian belt for this uniform, that is not what is needed here.
Marc
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...PS update: no response to any of my PM's or emails to Mark Signa. No new post by him either despite visits to soviet-awards.com. I understand it's Christmas time but obviously, considering the severity of the topic at hand, with each passing day I am increasingly inclined to draw a definitive conclusion based on the facts / analysis as presented thusfar. I'll contact relevant moderators on soviet-awards.com to ask if they've been informed offline of the dealer supposedly responsible for the first "fabrication"...
Bob,
Each passing second simply conforts me in my opinion as previously stated
Marc
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Here's another one.
Chuck
Chuck,
Unfortunately, this one is NOT what it purports to be
Marc
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Here's another orphan piece: Loose replacement ribbon and missing nut, too.
Chuck,
That is potentially a very scarce Moscow Mint production you have there. Could you please post some better quality scans of the order itself.
Marc
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...Now I hope that they are correct...
Jim,
Can you please post hi-res scans of the medallion.
Marc
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...I would like to find out just who the dealer was who created this fantasy group so we can all avoid them. I sincerely hope we can do that...
Dave,
I wouldn't be overly surprized if it turned out to be a collector rather than an established dealer. Sometimes, silence speaks louder than many words, if you get my drift...
Marc
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Marc, it's good to see you here!
Thanks Bryan! There sure is a lot of known faces around
Marc
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Looks like our first screwback. Thanks Marc.
Jim
My pleasure
Marc
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Dan,
That suspension is from the Lenin's 100th Anniversary of Birth medal. These (suspensions) were made by different manufacturers, some of which stamped their production. As of today, there has not yet been a complete inventory of all the existing variations.
Marc
Dan,
I forgot to mention that yours looks like possibly coming from the Scherbinski Zavod Metallicheskoy Galanterey ("ЩЗ").
Marc
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And a closeup of the makers mark:
Also, anything that looks like tarnish or marks on the star are actually from the scan. Probably time to clean the glass again. But all the metal on this is in great shape and nice and shiny. It also has a good weight to it but as I don't currently have access to a good scale I can't tell you what it is. I'll see if I can get it weighed over at the post office and if so will let you know.
But it's a nicely made piece and a great fitted case to boot. And no idea as to the police insignia on the lid of the case. Paul didn't know either.
Dan,
That suspension is from the Lenin's 100th Anniversary of Birth medal. These (suspensions) were made by different manufacturers, some of which stamped their production. As of today, there has not yet been a complete inventory of all the existing variations.
Marc
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JimZ,
Here's what I can contribute.
Marc
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Oh, and I just wanted also to vent my anger at whoever came up with this "creative" idea of "improving" a single researched order.
I have a hard time believing that Alex would do such things (business sense would advise not to, obviously). If so, that points the finger to the collector who acquired the order from Dave. I find it disturbing that one of us can think of nothing better than to try and screw fellow collectors
Marc
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Good comment about the booklet.
And it's weird, beause as Rick pointed the "D" series of the book doesn't match the time period.
Also, the ARC filled in 1977 indicates order book # is: I-007174 while the Xeroxed order book # is : D-723527
This means he would first had the order in a "I" booklet (which came after the "D" series) and then would have lost it and they would have issued a "D" series booklet later... to lose it again after the xerox... smells very very bad.
I also hope it's not the dealer. However, I don't believe he would do such thing. Can you imagine the impact it can have on its reputation and business. He doesn't need this.
Guys,
That is a sad-looking story! Rick says that he focused too much on the research document to detect the problem with the order book photocopy. IMHO, the research itself highlights the existing problem: the Uchotnaya Kartochka clearly indicates that only ONE award was received, that is the OSM 3rd. Nowhere is a Red Star indicated. I tend to believe that the Russian scribes were quite ordered and accurate people; as such, the lame explanation "they simply forgot to write it up" cannot stand. I have seen examples of UK that had entries scribbled in every conceivable way, but in every case, all of the awards were indicated.
Etienne pointed out at the Order Book number. That one struck me also straight on.
Those who know me (and there are quite a few on this and other forums) know that I am an outspoken, long-time advocate of the "fake until proven otherwise approach". It is the, unfortunately, the sad state of Soviet collecting today, and not only in the field of OMD (eg: cloth, badges, paper, etc)
Marc
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Order of the Red Banner of Labour & Badge of Honour
in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations
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Brian,
Both orders are fine, original examples.
Marc