TacHel

OUTSTANDING! :cheers:

I've told you this before... But I'll tell you again...

For somebody who's restarting his collection... You sure have an eye for great items!!

Max, do you have a picture of the award you received from the МНС України ??

Thank you! Extremely informative! :cheers:

Neat. I envy you Frank.

I would really like to meet him as I have been an admirer since I heard him on "As it Happens" reporting from Kigali weekly in '94. After viewing "The Last Just Man," "Ghosts of Rwanda" and the two "Shake Hands with the Devil" films, my admiration only increased. And then there is Carol Off's book that lionizes Dallaire at Lew McKenzie's expense.

Thanks for the comments on the bust....still a long way to go on it.

Colin

Once your bust is finished, send him pics and include your address, he'll probably stop by when/if in the area. He's a really easy man to talk to.

In 1995 was only star! Without neck cross - it was established in august 1996.

I did not know that... Can you retroactively request one?

Saw general Dallaire in Quebec city last Saturday, he was honoured during the Quebec City Military Tattoo. Your bust is coming along greatly!

Maxim, do you also have a picture of the neck badge?

I found the clasp below for sale on a Russian auction site. It is advertised as a copy. According to the seller, the picture of the cross with the clasp at right is supposedly from a book. The seller cites an August 19, 1917 decree approving this clasp for wear by officers on their St George crosses to differentiate them from ordinary soldiers.

Can anybody confirm such a clasp really existed? This is a first for me...

Below is another picture from the seller showing the clasp for sale on a cross.

Yes... Indeed... Huhhuh... Right... (No further comment)

Not even once to a nice night club? Women love heroes! They'd be real babe magnets!

Nice monument in your town!

The topic title in itself is confusing to me.

Really... What other award could I have possibly been talking about?

Tsarenko posted a pic of his Ukrainian award here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/50899-ukrainian-star-for-courage/

Tsarenko, any chance of seeing a picture of you wearing both awards?

New World, it is HIS decoration. Tsarenko was awarded this in 1995 for saving a classroom of young children from a terrorist bomb. He was also awarded the Russian Order for Courage!

Maxim, where are the pictures of the Ukrainian Star? :Cat-Scratch:

I just found an article on you! You also received the Ukrainian Star For Courage (serial no. 002)!!! Which grade was it?? 1st, 2nd, 3rd?

You lost a hand and an eye saving the life on young children from a terrorist bombing? WOW! Stop being so modest! You are a hero in EVERY sense of the word!!

УКАЗ Президента РФ от 07.02.1996 N 163 "О НАГРАЖДЕНИИ ГОСУДАРСТВЕННЫМИ НАГРАДАМИ РОССИЙСКОЙ ФЕДЕРАЦИИ

ОРДЕНОМ МУЖЕСТВА

ЦАРЕНКО Максима Владимировича, студента Винницкого педагогического института, Украина.

Presidential Decree of 07.02.1996 N 163 "On conferring state awards of the Russian Federation"

ORDER OF COURAGE

TSARENKO Maxim Vladimirovich, a student of Vinnytsia State Pedagogical Institute, Ukraine.

I salute you my friend!

My next question is: since you're in the Ukraine, how come you received a Russian award?

Thanks, TacHel! I was awarded by Order of Valour in 1996 but don't think that it's very high decoration...

Really?? I want to see pictures of you receiving it!! I want to read the write up!! I want to see the award document!!

It is a high award!! Worthy recipients are usually too modest! Be proud!

ADDENDA:

The Order of Lenin was awarded to civilians for outstanding services rendered to the State, to members of the armed forces for exemplary service, to those who promoted friendship and cooperation between peoples and in strengthening peace, and for other meritorious services to the Soviet state and society.

The only modern Russian award that comes close to it is the Order of St Andrew the Apostle. The Order Of Saint Andrew is the highest military and civilian order of Russia. It is awarded for "exceptional services leading to the prosperity and glory of Russia".

Tsarenko, my friend, I give you the point here... After a careful review of the award criteria of all of the top Soviet and modern Russian awards, you are correct. The Soviet equivalent of the Russian Federation's Order of Valour is the Order of the Red Banner.

Wasnt there a large distinction between the Order and Medal during Tsarist times?

Yes, and that distinction is quite alive today, not only in Russia but in a great many other countries as well.

Orders

Decorations

Medals

In modern Russia the order is:

Titles (Hero of the Russian Federation, Honoured Scientist of the RF, Honoured Military Pilot of the RF, etc)

Orders (Order of Valour, Order of Kutuzov , Order of St George, Order of Suvorov, etc)

Decorations (Cross of St George, Medal of Nesterov, Medal of Suvorov, Life Saving Medal, Medal for Bravery, etc)

Medals (campaign, long service, efficiency, commemoratives, etc)

The Order of St George, as stated above if for senior officers for leading brilliant and successful military operations in the defense of Russia, it is not a bravery award. The Cross of St George is awarded to soldiers, sailors, non-commissioned officers, warrant officers and junior officers for acts of courage, self sacrifice and distinction in battle to protect the homerland from attack. A senior officer beind awarded a decoration for valour/courage would receive the Order of Courage, or, in the case it wasn't quite warranted, the Order of MIlitary Merit.

The Crosses of St George are not Orders and in my humble opinion, they replace the 3 grades of the Order of Glory. They are way below the Order of Valour in the order of precedense of the Russian Federation being classed as decorations which by definition, come after Orders.

The Order of St George (all 4 grades) can only be bestowed upon senior officers. It is awarded for leading brilliant and successful military operations in the defense of Russia, it is not a bravery award.

Link to the award write up

Tsarenko, the Order of Valour is the top bravery award... How can it NOT rate equal to the Order of Lenin?

Tsarenko, do they still wear these same cap devices?