G Hanson

Thanks Gordon and Kevin.

Another very rare matched set of Dienstausweis and Fahrtberechtigungsausweis to a Kriminal Angestellte.

This example should have the word "Leit" crossed out to reflect that Karlsruhe was actually a KPSt.

It has now been established that some female members of the Kriminalpolizei were also issued Dienstausweis.

Here is an exceptionally rare 1944 Kripo Dienstausweis Type C, issued to a female member of the Kripo in Wien.

As we can see from this example, the Kripo Außendienstelle designation was also applied to 1944 issued cards. I have yet to see a 1944 KPAuP issued card but I presume there was one.

KPAuP - Small branch office

A KPAuP usually had a complement of less than 10 detectives.

Blankenstein had a population of approximately 1,780. Krim.Sek. Barthel was their only detective.

KPAuDSt - Large branch office

A KPAuDSt usually had a complement of 10 or more detectives.

München-Gladbach had a population of 128,000 thereby allowing them approximately 25 detectives.

KPSt - Sub Regional HQ

There were approximately 80 - 120 detectives allocated to each of the 44 KPSt.

Note the similarity with the KPLSt Dienstausweis. This example of a KPSt Dienstausweis clearly shows the word "Leit" crossed out.

On seeing Gordons super Polizei group with Kripo connection, I thought I'd share a little info regarding Kripo ID credentials.

There were four different types of Kriminalpolizei headquarters throughout Nazi Germany and the size of these was determined by their area population and local requirements. The ratio was approximately one Kripo detective per 5,000 inhabitants.

Kriminalpolizei Leitstellen - KPLSt - Regional Headquarters

Kriminalpolizei Stellen - KPSt - Sub-Regional Headquarters

Kriminalpolizei Außendienststellen - KPAuDSt - Large branch office

Kriminalpolizei Außenposten - KPAuP - Small branch office

It is now known that each of these HQ's had there own associated dienstausweis.

KPLSt and KPSt both shared the same wording on the dienstausweis but in the case of the KPSt, the word "Leit" was crossed out. However, I have seen several examples were this was not practised.

The dienstausweis of the KPAuDSt and KPAuP both had different titles printed on them.

KPLSt - Regional HQ

There were approximately 150 - 250 detectives allocated to each of the 22 KPLSt.

Hi Gordon,

Many thanks for the extra scans.

Well, what an absolutely fantastic entry to have in a Polizei Deinstpass, just wonderful!

Please do not think I am being picky or anything like that as I have no intention of taking anything away from this wonderful group but unfortunately, I still do not believe this is a Kripo Dienstausweis/Ausweis. I do see an identification to a police official but that is all I see, Dienstpass entries or not.

As far as I am aware, the České Kriminální policie were a state organisation and who had responsiblity for criminal investigations with the help of local uniformed police in certain circumstances. On this ID we can quite clearly see that the "staatliche" term is clearly crossed out, something which I would not expect to see if he was a state Kripo official. Also, there are plenty of references on the ausweis as to him being a policeman but there is no reference on the ausweis as to the "Kriminální policie," again something I would expect to see on a Kripo officials Dienstausweis/Ausweis .

I am also not aware of any Kriminalpolizei organizations with the rank of "Wachmann," although we do see this rank used in other ordinary police organisations at that time. Most, if not all wartime Kripo organizations in Europe set their Kripo officials apart from other police officers in terms of rank, titles and identification credentials and I very much doubt that the České Kriminální policie would be any different.

Hopefully, any Czech members will be able to shed more light.

This is a superb and rare group which any police ID collector would love to have in their collection, me included. Many thanks for showing.

Gordon, fantastic group. Love the Fahrtberechtigungsausweis. These not so easy to find little passes are completely underated and undervalued IMO.

However, I personally cannot see the Kripo connection with the Ausweis?

It's a great piece Gordon, one which I very nearly bought myself.

Gestapo issued soldbuch

Kripo issued soldbuch

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Better pics of the GFP Wehrpass

Now that really is something very special !

Any background on your GFP man?

I know for sure from supporting documentation that came with mine that he was in fact a member of the Gestapo and returned to the Gestapo after his stint with the GFP. I believe attachments from the various state security organs to the GFP was common.

Hi Gordon,

Not had time to research my GFP man yet, but I don't think he was from any SiPo organisation. More than likely part of intake from regular army given that he was made a "Hilfsfeldpolizeibeamten." WP has some nice entries and GFP stamps. Unfortunately, can't seem to post much in the way of detail due to the picture size limit.

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Another piece from my collection that is not pictured above.

Gestapo issued Soldbuch to a Kriminal Oberassistent.

Some other Police ID's, mainly Sicherheitspolizei and SD.

A: Wehrpass to Krim.O.Ass. in Gestapo Braunschweig and Einsatzgruppen member.

B: Dienstausweis & matching travel pass to Krim.Ang. in Gestapo Hannover and Einsatzgruppen member.

C: Soldbuch to Krim.Sek. in Kripo Essen.

D: Dienstausweis to Krim.Ang. Gestapo Prag.

E: Dienstausweis & matching travel pass to Krim.Ang. Kripo Karlsruhe.

F: Wehrpass to Krim.Dir. Kripo Halle/Saale.

G: Wehrpass & Dienstausweis to Zollbeamten in SiPo Vienna.

H: Soldbuch to SS-Stuscha. SiPo K?nitz.

I: Large Promotion certificate from Krim.Sek. to Krim.Ins.

J: Dienstausweis to Krim.Sek. Kripo Bromberg.

K: Soldbuch to SS-Hscha. SiPo Holland (possible Einsatzgruppen member).

L: Dienstausweis to Krim.O.Ass. Gestapo Kattowitz.

M: Ausweis to Krim.Sek. Kripo Hamburg.

N: KvK II award doc to Krim.Sek. M?nchen.

O: Dienstausweis to Hilfspolizeibeamten Kripo Hamburg.

Killed 24/7/44

Served GFP Gruppe 621 in Greece.

Here's my GFP Wehrpass.