Richard LaTondre
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Good Morning Nick. As usual a very excellent article on the "Sacred Crown', However, I am here to defend my old friend Jim Peterson. The term 'revered' is at times a synonym for sacred according to the " Roget's II, The New Thesaurus".However the reason for his selection may be found in the translation of the Sacred Treasure. If you look at the characters on the case of the Sacred Crown, You will find that they are the same characters used for the Sacred Treasure.
Best Regards,
Dick
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Before bidding on this one someone should explain (at least to himself) the eccentric look of badge on the breast star.
Last time I checked - this badge should be gold-plated.
Well, I guess I was wrong. I didn't expect it to go so high.
Sash badge: $5655
Breast star: $4400
$10.055 for a set without sash, box and with wrongly plated breast star....
Good evening gentlemen and best wishes to all.
I do not believe that the breast star was wrongly plated. There is a grouping of eight major stars on the circumference of the medal. Each of the groups consist of six fluted rays of which the diagonal sets of rays are gilded and the others are silver.
(Reference Peterson page 147 paragraph 6. This can also be seen on close inspection of the furnished photos
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I would be very careful about this one!
Richardhttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-3065-0-41110100-1379606230.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-3065-0-36422800-1379606333.jpg
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Interesting Wen Hu on ebay, It shows character and severe enamel damage.
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I guess when sales slow down you need to be innovated.
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Some people think that looking at a overpriced auction, it automatically sets the price for their item. I assume they gave a 6,000 discount because of the missing box and ribbon
This is quite true. To add to the myriad defects, it has no hallmarks, no bureau marks, or maker's marks. It is not all there (it is missing a couple of screws). The condition of this item is probably 'Fair' at the best. And to top it off the seller makes the following statement "; this medal was offered at a recent UK coin/medal auction for $15K."
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Thank you Paul. I thought that I had nabbed the image but guess not.
Richard
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Good Morning Genlemen:
I suspect we will have a few comments concerning this item.
Richard
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I think we need to be doubly careful as more and more 'reputable' dealers are listing these items. Just because an item is offered by a major house of good repute it does not necessarily make it authentic. But, because they are 'reputable' they more than likely will refund your purchase.bolewts58, on 17 May 2013 - 04:30, said:
This is totally outside my area of interest. So any help on this medal would be great.
I picked it up for a few Euros. So, I'm not particularly worried about it. I know this stuff is heavily faked. But, I compared it to one that sold at Baldwin's in HK and it's identical. Did I get lucky, or...
thanks.
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Beautiful Medal! Could we please see a photo of the reverse of the Breast Badge?<br />Thank You,<br /><br />Richard
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Now. Finally, the question I am asking is, in the Mohler Collection, this was previously identified as a XinJiang Province Commemorative medal. What we have here appears to me to be two different classes of the same medal. Sorry my photos are not as good as they should be. One has the shield the white tiger is on, in yellow, and the next one is in red enamel. I think we may have to do a little more reseach on this series (or maybe (and this would not be unusual)) or else I am slowly losing my memory. Anyone have any ideas?
Richard
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This is the second variation from the Mohler collection
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eBay listing
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This is The White Tiger on eBay
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The illusive and beautiful Order of the White Tiger makes its appearance on eBay!
Richard
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Sorry, left out the most important part: Serial #749<br /><br />Richard
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Good Morning and a happy day to you!<br />I don't know if this is going to be of much help, but I noticed an obscure (It was in the wrong area) item on eBay which was selling the medal which appeared to be a 1st Class Breast Badge with the following award:<br /><br />"National Government Republic of China Certificate of award:<br /><br />"The Special Breast Order of the Cloud and Banner with Certificate"<br />To<br />Major Claude Powell O-1573517<br /><br />For duties while an Instructor at the South West China Training Center, 20 January 1946<br /><br />signed: CHIANG CHUNG CHXXNG (Blurred)<br />President<br /><br />Richard
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Thank you for the beautiful display of Chinese medals. No Wen Hu ?
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send me an email at USMCGungHo@aol.comThanks for your expertise here gentlemen. I know very little about militaria so I feel like i've dfinately come to the right place. Anyone interested in purchasing my badge?? I deal in enstate sales and I'm offering this for sale. If no takers, do you know what auction house this would be best handled by? Thanks, Justin.
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If there aren't any to bid on at auction
Next year, with the prices going the way they are, the only thing I can afford is a printout of the medal (and I usually print in B/W).
Remember everybody, auction prices are with people with a lot of money outbidding until they get tired of raising their paddles or those with over spending habits without budgets. Auctions also tend to charge about 10-30% fee to the seller and 10-30% to the bidder.
If there are none to bid on at auction, and none on eBay. None listed on the OMSA website, none listed on the GMIC website what do you imagine that does to the price/value/scarcity? I would say that a 5th Class Striped Tiger with case and acoutrements in excellent (very good to fine) condition, would be a bargain at $3,000.00. U.S. Occasionally you see some of these appear on the Japanese Yahoo auction sites however, in order to participate in the bidding you must have a blood relationship to a well known Samurai family, or a member of the royal household.The bottom line is that they are scarce! I am
not certain if the People's Republic of China considers these as National Treasures but it is a cinch that Under Chairman Mao and the Red Guard, these would be symbols of a bourgeois society and destroyed {along with Mah Johng sets. The bottom line gentlemen is . . . . availability! I must admit that I am a long time lover of the striped Tiger and especially the specimens turned out by the cloisonne masters Lao Tien Li and Yung Zeng who layered the enamels heavily into the cloisons seperated by a band of gold or silver, or even an edge of a brass strip to the point that you could rub your fingers over the tiger and feel the depth and dimension of his ears, his tail, and his proud chest. Once you have done that, you fall in love with the Tiger.
Richard
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I agree with Gavin's cost estimate but you hardly see them up for sale.
Richard
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The sheer agony of the red tape, hidden fees, taxes and gaurantee deposits required on Yahoo Japan make your offer of $550.00 a bargain. Unless you are the first born son of a samurai, it can be difficult to buy or sell on that venue of 'bargains.'
Richard
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Dermatin was derived from the latin dermat which means skin, In this case it was a type of bird. Pheasants need to be skinned before eating. This skin was quite delicate and was made into a covering for containers that held jewelry, fine artifacts, and medals.
Richard
I had to make certain that I said Pheasant and not peasant.
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I'll post some images in a couple of days.
Really should stop using this word
Got same problem here http://gmic.co.uk/in...n-dermatin-box/
Ok.
Boxes that glued over with something that should imitate leather (although usually it looks like color paper)
Cheers,
Nick
Dermatin was derived from the latin dermat which means skin, In this case it was a type of bird. Pheasants need to be skinned before eating. This skin was quite delicate and was made into a covering for containers that held jewelry, fine artifacts, and medals.
Richard
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Orders of the Precious Crown from Collection of DavidS
in Japan
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I almost fogot! What a coincidence. I just acquired an 8th Class Sacred Crown on eBay. That tells you that some good things are still out there if you take the time to search for them.