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Reverse adds to it too.

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An example of a postcard complimenting a tinnie for display.. I think they help bring tinnies to life.

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Paint a bit hard to read.

"Wehrwettkampfe

der S.A. - Gruppe

Niederrhein

1939"

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Another.

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Hollow version

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Not entirely SA per se, but features their logo at the bottom.. one of my favourite tinnies this one.

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And another.

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Sorry can't get the programme small enough without making it useless.

In the meantime here's a cardboard one for Claymore.

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There was programmes on sale at some events, here's a pic. of one I nicked from an ebay auction, was not in a position to bid at the time unfortunately or I would have gone for it. Front cover features the tinnie from the event.

I try and collect the postcards that accompany tinnie events too, make nice displays.

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Sorry pic. was slightly too big.. will try resize it and come back later.

That Brigade 34 badge has to be a contender for best tinnie ever.. congrats on getting one Claymore, your collection of SA tinnies is fast becoming one of the best.

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Well I would imagine they will become very common because the abuse those guys, and also their colleagues in the Fire Service get on a very regular basis from all the neds and idiots every time they get called out is unbelievable. Considering the duty they provide, they are very under appreciated at times and certainly deserve a medal just for turning out every day.

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I posted this list on WAF many, many moons ago, there was a list of all the M#/ numbers on a site somewhere, but it did not include many of the makers here in the M9 section, I added quite a few myself over the years, if anyone can add to it I'd be grateful.

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Tinnie makers and their respective RZM codes that I know of.

M9 - tinnie

M9/1 F. W. Assmann & S?hne, L?denscheid

M9/2 Rud. Mayer, Pforzheim

M9/3 L. Chr. Lauer, N?rnberg

M9/4 Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen

M9/5 Fugen Schmidh?ussler, Pforzheim

M9/6 Julius Dinnebier Nachf., L?denscheid

M9/7 Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim

M9/8 Christian Thomas Dicke, L?denscheid

M9/9 Ferdinand Wagner, Pforzheim

M9/10 Robert Hauschild, Pforzheim

M9/11 Carl Poellath, Schrobenhausen

M9/12 C. Baimberger, N?rnberg

M9/13 Gustav Hahl, Pforzheim

M9/14 M. Kutsch, Attendorn

M9/15 Otto Schickle, Pforzheim

M9/16 Berg & Nolte AG, L?denscheid

M9/17 Friedrich Keck, Pforzheim

M9/18 Karl Wild, Hamburg

M9/19 Ernst Schneider, L?denscheid

M9/20 "Walgo". Inh. Goseberg, Kierspe

M9/21 Glaser & Sohn, Dresden

M9/22 Dr. Franke & Co., KG., Ludenscheid

M9/23 Ossenberg & Co., Dahle und Altena

M9/24 Wilhelm Schroder & Co., L?denscheid

M9/25 Richard Sieper & S?hne, L?denscheid

M9/26 Hessische Fahnenfabrik Georg Schubkegel, Darmstadt

M9/27 Bockle & Co., Geringswalde

M9/28 Ferdinand Hoffst?tter, Bonn

M9/29 Rud Wachtler & Lange. Mittweida

M9/30 Bernhard Haarmann, L?denscheid

M9/31 Biedermann & Co., Obercassel

M9/32 G. Danner, Muhihausen

M9/33 Karl Hensler, Pforzheim

M9/34 Werner Linker, Duisburg-Hochfeld

M9/35 Gebr?der Gloerfeld KG, L?denscheid

M9/36 Philipp und Gustav Fest, Hanau

M9/37 Carl Winkler, Hanau

M9/38 Tweer & Turck, L?denscheid

M9/39 Wilhelm Deumer, L?denscheid

M9/40 Karl Wurster, Markneukirchen

M9/41 Julius Maurer G.m.b.H., Oberstein

M9/42 Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart

M9/43 Lohmann & Welschehold, Meinerzhagen

M9/44 Alexander Wolfram, Dessau

M9/45 Dransfeld & Co., Menden

M9/46 Otto Fechler, Bernsbach

M9/47 Adolf Baumeister, L?denscheid

M9/48 E. F. Wiedmann, Frankfurt am M.

M9/49 Heinrich Muth, Hanau

M9/50 Steinhauer & L?ck, L?denscheid

M9/51 Hermann Aurich, Dresden

M9/52 Schmidt & Bruckmann, Pforzheim

M9/53 Friedrich Linden, L?denscheid

M9/54 Funcke & Bruninghaus, L?denscheid

M9/55 Hermann Wemstein, Jena-L?bstedt

M9/56 Werner Redo, Saarlautern

M9/57 Gebr?der Lange, L?denscheid

M9/58 Alfred Stubbe, Inh. Herben Tegge, Berlin

M9/60 Paulmann & Crone, L?denscheid

M9/61 Gebr?der Albert, Menden.

M9/62 Berthold Kuhn, Catterfeld

M9/63 Albert Ihne, L?denscheid

M9/65 Friedrich Keller, Oberstein

M9/66 Gottlieb Fr. Keck & Sohn, Pforzheim

M9/67 Overhoft & Cie, L?denscheid

M9/68 Gebr?der Mardey & Co., Wuppertal-Langerfeld

M9/69 K. E. Haas, Hamburg

M9/70 Walter Demmer, L?denscheid

M9/71 Stuttgarter Metallwerk-Fabrik Mayer & Wilhelm, Stuttgart

M9/72 Wilhelm Kolwitz, Bergedorf b. Hamburg

M9/73 Julius Bauer S?hne, Zella-Mehlis, Thur.

M9/74 Heinrich Vogt, Pforzheim

M9/75 M. Nett, F?rth

M9/76 Hermann Bauer, Schw?b.-Gm?nd.

M9/77 Josef Fuess, M?nchen

M9/78 Stefan Merkl, N?rnberg

M9/79 Max Kamper, L?denscheid

M9/80 Kruse & S?hne, Wuppertal-Barmen

M9/81 Franz Reischauer, Idan

M9/82 Matthias Ochsier & Sohn KG., Ansbach

M9/83 Lehmann & Wundenberg, Hannover

M9/84 Gebr?der Rood, Solingen

M9/85 Gebr?der Hahne, L?denscheid

M9/86 Adam Donner, Wuppertal-Elberfeld

M9/87 Adolf Besson, Schw?b.-Gmjind.

M9/88 A. Kunze & Co., Buchholz

M9/89 Hillenbrand & Br?er, L?denscheid

M9/90 Inh. Eugen Frederich Katz, L?denscheid

M9/91 Wilhelm Fuhner, Pforzheim

M9/92 Paul Meybauer, Berlin

M9/93 Frank & Reif o.H.G., Stuttgart

M9/94 Walter Horn]ein, Schw?b.-Gm?nd.

M9/95 Pleuger & Voss, L?denscheid

M9/96 Kallenbach, Meyer & Franke, Luckenwalde

M9/97 Gebr?der Fobke, Stettin

M9/98 Theodor Seibod, Offenbach a. M.

M9/99 Hans Aich, Schw?b.-Gm?nd.

M9/100 Emil Oberholz, Reiligenhaus

M9/102 Gebr?der Bender, Oberstein a. d. N.

M9/103 Schimmel, Schmieder & Co., Schm?lin

M9/104 Fritz Zobel, Breslau

M9/105 Karl Kahle, Flensburg

M9/106 Richard Masseck, Weisswasser

M9/107 Ossenberg-Engels, Iserlohn

M9/108 L. 0. Stillgebauer, Solingen

M9/109 Emil Vogelsang, Glauchau

M9/110 Fritz Kohm, Pforzheim

M9/111 Schauerte & H?hfeld, L?denscheid

M9/112 Wurttembergische Metallwarenfabrik, Geislingen a. d St.

M9/113 Ernst Conze, L?denscheid

M9/114 Hermann Kn?ller, L?denscheid

M9/115 Rob Hasenmayer Jr., Pforzheim

M9/116 Wuh. A. Jager, Frankfurt a. M

M9/117 Chn Bauer, Welzheim

M9/118 Josef Preissier, Pforzheim

M9/119 Alois Rettenmaier, Schw?b-Om?nd.

M9/120 Gustav Schuft, Cottbus

M9/121 Furstenberger Porzellanfabrik, Furstenberg a. d. Weser

M9/122 Stempel-Reich, Breslau

M9/123 Gebr?der Cramer, Menden

M9/124 Karl Pfohl, Pforzheim

M9/125 Jakob Bengel, Inh. E., Hartenberger, Oberstein a. d. N.

M9/126 Fried. Wuh. Schnurle, Duisburg am Rhein

M9/127 Heinrich Schmidt, Sprottau

M9/128 Paul Schulze & Co., Lubeck

M9/129 J?rgum & Trefz, Frankfurt am Main

M9/130 Bruno Mitlehner, Berlin

M9/131 Noelle & Hueck KG, L?denscheid

M9/132 Hermann Schulte Sohn, L?denscheid

M9/133 Bebritpressstoffwerke G.m.b.H., Bebra

M9/134 Seiler & Co., Geldern

M9/135 C. W. Lots, Adorf

M9/136 Ernst Scheiter, Eibenstock

M9/137 H. D?rvel, Braunschweig

M9/138 Prokop, Jager & S?hne, Rosenthal-Schweizermuhle

M9/139 Bruno Winkler, Zittau

M9/140 Leop. Kleins Witwe, Wien

M9/141 Gl?ckner & Co., Annaberg

M9/142 Otto Kunze, Fraureuth

M9/143 R. Conrad Nach & Co. KG, Schmiedeberg.

M9/144 Julius Moser sen., Inh. C., Moser, Oberstein a. d. N.

M9/145 Kuhr & Langer, Eisenach

M9/146 Mayer & Sohn, Erbach

M9/147 Eduard Mutscheiknauss, Pforzheim

M9/148 E. O. Friedrich, Leipzig

M9/149 Willy Annetsberger, Munchen

M9/150 Friedrich Roediger & Co., Hanau a. M.

M9/151 Petz & Lorenz, Unterreichenbach

M9/152 Stuffmann & Co., Haan

M9/153 Staatl Bemstein-Manufaktur, K?nigsberg

M9/154 Karl Forster & Grat Schw?b-Gm?nd.

M9/155 Lindner & Maak, Dresden

M9/156 Ad. Schwerdt, Stuttgart

M9/157 Lind & Meyer, Oberstein a. d. N.

M9/158 Ochs & Bonn, Hanau a. M.

M9/159 Wilhelm Helbing, Leipzig

M9/160 Max Kremhelmer, Munchen

M9/161 Sohni, Heubach & Co., Oberstein a d. N.

M9/162 Ziemer & S?hne, Oberstein a. d. N.

M9/163 Otto Wolter, Schw?b-Gmund.

M9/164 Paul Merkens, Dusseldorf

M9/165 Giesse & Schmidt, Ruhla

M9/166 Hymmen & Co., L?denscheid

M9/167 Emil B?xenstein, Pforzheim

M9/168 Gustav M?ssmer, Offenbach am Main

M9/169 Deschler & Sohn, M?nchen

M9/170 Karl Erbacher, Pforzheim

M9/171 Rudolf Freund, Solingen

M9/172 Eduard Hahn, Oberstein a. d. N.

M9/173 P. C. Turck Witwe, L?denscheid

M9/174 Otto Kogler, Wien

M9/175 Franz Kaukal?s Wwe, Wien

M9/176 List & Hertl, Wien

M9/177 August Menze & Sohn, Wien

M9/178 C. W. Motz & Co., Brandenburg a. d.H.

M9/179 Karl Gschiermeister, Wien

M9/180 Adalbert Kanngiesser, Wien.

M9/181 Sohni & Co., Oberstein a. d. N.

M9/182 Karl Kuhn & Co. AG, Wien

M9/183 Schar-Smolka, Schwechat b. Wien

M9/184 Bruno Mulde, Bremen

M9/185 J. E. Hammer & S?hne, Geringswalde

M9/186 Konrad Seiboth, Gablonz a. N.

M9/187 Grossmann & Co. Inh. Lorenz Hoffst?tter u.L. Siefener, Wien

M9/188 Schaeffer, Homberg G.m.b.H., Wuppertal -Barmen

M9/189 Rudolf St?rz, Gablonz a. N.

M9/190 Rudolf Richter, Schlag Nr 244

M9/191 Wilhelm Borgas, Entingen

M9/192 Albert Noswitz, Gablonz a. N.

M9/193 Emil Peukert, Gablonz a. N.

M9/194 Franz Schiffner, Gablonz a. N.

M9/195 Franz Schmidt, Gablonz a. N.

M9/196 Rudolf Lucke & Co., Gablonz a. N.

M9/197 Gustav Miksch, Gablonz a. N.

M9/198 Camill Bergmann & Co., Gablonz a. N.

M9/199 Rudolf Pfeiffers Nachf., Hoschka & Pesch, Gablonz a. N.

M9/200 Heinrich St?rz jr., Gablonz a. N.

M9/201 Otto Lang, Gablonz a. N

M9/202 Josef R?ssler & Co., Gablonz a. N.

M9/203 Wilhelm Pala, Gablonz a. N.

M9/204 Franz Wenzeis Sohn, Braunau Heuscheuer

M9/205 Fritz Zasche, Gablonz a. N.

M9/206 J. C. Gante in, Berlin

M9/207 Georg Patzner, Breslau.

M9/208 Josef Feix S?hne, Gablonz a. N.

M9/209 Gebr?der J?ger, Gablonz

M9/210 Rudolf Lang, Kukan Nr.226 b. Gablonz

M9/211 Adolf Scholze, Gr?nwald a. N.

M9/212 Julius Rauchf?hs, Schonwald u. Pirna

M9/213 Eduard Gorlach & S?hne, Gablonz a. N.

M9/214 August G. Tham, Gablonz a. N.

M9/215 Rudolf Tham, Gablonz a. N.

M9/216 Matth. Ochsier & Sohn AG, Riegersdor b. Bodenbach

M9/217 A. Karneth & Sohn, Gablonz a. N.

M9/218 Matth Salcher & S?hne AG., Wagstadt

M9/219 Augustin Hieke, Tyssa b. Bodenbach

M9/221 Richard Simm & S?hne, Gablonz a. N.

M9/222 Otto Glausch, Grunwald b. Gablonz

M9/223 Bruno Sch?ffel, Kukan

M9/224 Walter & Henlein, Gablonz a. N.

M9/225 Franz Maschke & Co., Gablonz a. N.

M9/226 Heinrich Wander, Gablonz a. N.

M9/227 Vereinigte Knopf-Werker Alfred Maborny, Wohlau

M9/229 M. Schaubmayr, Wien

M9/230 Josef R?cker & Sohn, Gablonz a. N.

M9/231 Louis Keller, Oberstein

M9/232 Magnus Richter, Schwarzbach

M9/233 Gustav K?nd, Peterswald b. Bodenbach

M9/234 Franz Bernhardt, Tyssa b. Bodenbach.

M9/235 Heinr Ulbricht's Wwe., Wien

M9/236 Florian Schwarzer, Wien

M9/237 Gebr Eichenauer, Hainfeld

M9/238 Lenkwerk Br?der Schneider AG., Wien

M9/239 A. Beladas Nach. Frz. Jungwirth, Wien

M9/240 W. Gruber & Co., Wien

M9/241 Ranns Pacher, Wien

M9/242 Friedrich Orth, Wien

M9/243 Josef Heintschel, Wien

M9/244 Franke & Sohn, Heidenreichstein

M9/245 Albert Bloudicek, Wien

M9/246 Eduard G?sel, Wien

M9/247 Rudolf Menschiga, Wien

M9/248 Christlbauer & Sohn, Wien

M9/249 Josef Mayr, Linz

M9/250 Andreas Unger, Wien

M9/251 Rudolf Schanes, Wien

M9/252 Phil. Turks Wwe., Wien

M9/253 Argentor-Werke, Wien

M9/254 Hans Hischer, Wien

M9/255 Schwenner & Cie., Eggenberg b. Graz

M9/256 Franz Petzl, Wien

M9/259 Hans Doppler, Wels

M9/263 Adolf Klinger, Gr?nwald a. N.

M9/264 Rudolf Dressier Jr., Gablonz a. N.

M9/265 Eduard Kratzert, Gablonz a. N.

M9/268 Franz Klamt & S?hne, Gablonz a. N.

M9/269 Arno Wailpach, Salzburg

M9/270 Wilhelm Tschinkel Abtl. II, Ober Kreibitz -Schonfeld

M9/271 Gustav Wenzel, Nieder-Preschkau, Kr. Tetschen

M9/272 Rudolf Fischer Jr., Nixdorf

M9/273 Franz Lang, Gablonz a. N.

M9/274 Karl Unger & Sohn, Gablonz a. N.

M9/275 Erwin Hoffmann, Seidenschwanz

M9/276 Josef P?rner, Gablonz a. N.

M9/277 Franz Erben jr, Seidenschwanz

M9/278 Reichelmann & Co., Tellnitz b. Aussig

M9/279 E. Wohlmann, Gablonz a. N.

M9/280 Rudolf Bergs, Gablonz a. N.

M9/281 Richard Feix, Gablonz a. N.

M9/282 Wilhelm Hammesfahr, Solingen

M9/283 Emil Herrmann & Co. Gablonz a. N.

M9/284 Robert Rudolf, Gablonz a. N.

M9/285 Oskar Frech, Gablonz a. N.

M9/286 Adolf Kofer, Sebnitz

M9/287 Ewald Turck, L?denscheid

M9/288 Klein & Quenzer AG., Oberstein a. d. N.

M9/289 Gottlieb & Wagner, Oberstein a. d. N.

M9/290 Otto Geiger, L?denscheid

M9/291 Oswald Posselt, Gablonz a. N.

M9/292 Ernst H?bner, Gablonz a. N.

M9/293 Adolf Seidel Gablonz a. N.

M9/294 W. Lehmann, Karlsbad-Weheditz

M9/295 Josef Bergs & Co., Gablonz a. N.

M9/296 Franz Sch?nbach, Riegersdorf

M9/297 August Halter, Tolkemit, Kr. Elbing

M9/298 Br?der Paul, Tyssa b. Bodenbach

M9/299 Paul Garthe, Muspe

M9/300 Volkskunst der Grafschaft Glatz, Kurt Klammt, Glatz-Neuland

M9/301 Otto Sedlak, Gablonz a. N.

M9/302 Bruno Pfeifer, Gablonz a. N.

M9/303 Anton Markovskys S?hne, Gablonz a. N

M9/304 Karl Schlenker, Schw?b.-Gm?nd.

M9/305 Rudolf Zappa, Bad Schlag b. Gablonz a. N.

M9/306 R. Richard Haasis, Zittau

M9/307 Kamill Sch?ffel, Grunwald a. N

M9/308 Laurenz M?ller, Gross-Schonau.

M9/309 Willy Engel, Morchenstern, Kr. Gablonz

M9/310 Otto Mischek, Gablonz a. N

M9/311 Gralit-Kunstharzpresswerk, Grossmann, Pietschmann & Co., Nixdorf

M9/312 Fritz Mannheim G.m.b.H., Kaiserslautern

M9/313 Karl Pichl, Innsbruck

M9/314 Moritz Hertwig KG., Tannenberg

M9/315 Arno Melzer, Dresden

M9/316 Rudolf Strake, Leipa

M9/317 Franz Simon, Gablonz a. N.

M9/318 Heinrich & Heinrich, Gablonz a. N.

M9/319 Buttig & Co., Gablonz a. N.

M9/320 Zappe & Co., Gablonz a. N.

M9/321 Wiliy Zappe, Gablonz a. N.

M9/322 Oskar Zappe Jr., Gablonz a. N.

M9/323 Max Hering, Oldenburg i. 0.

M9/324 Staatliche Porzellan-Manufaktur Meissen

M9/325 Rosenthal-Porzellan AG., Selb.

M9/326 Karl Schram, Brunn (Protektorat M?hren)

M9/327 Otto M?ller, Gablonz a. N

M9/328 Julius Gerhard. Pforzheim

M9/329 Max Ulbrich, Gablonz a. N.

M9/330 Ewald Ress, Wien

M9/331 Erhard & S?hne AG, Schw?b.-Gm?nd.

M9/332 Dmk. Sch?nbaumfelds Sohn, Wien

M9/333 Alfred Simet, Wien

M9/334 Augustin Prager, Gablonz a. N.

M9/335 R. Kreisel, Gablonz a. N.

M9/336 W. Hobacher, Wien

Wilhelm Schwahn, Hanau

I don't know how long this group went on into the war, if you look at the front of the card, it's a membership card valid from 1st April 1942 thru 31st March 1943, those are the only dates on it, I have all his HJ docs and there is no card for 43 thru 44, I am still going through them all, it is a very large group belonging to both this guy and his brother (who was not a member of this group).

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Thanks very much Dave, appreciated.

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Hi Toby, very interesting those badges, being named I would imagine they are an award item of some sort.. this particular badge is shown on page 90 of Baker's volume 2, there it is shown cased, I assume the case is still with the badge, making it a very rare combo indeed, congarats on owning such a fine item, and thanks for letting us see it so well, it's a B&W picture in the book.

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Thanks claymore, the extra badges would be worth it to me, I suppose it's quite q major update, will pick up a copy of them both in Sept. when I'm back in Europe.

Cheers again

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You're slipping Chris , the one above is the Bremen Flugtag in 1932. The one on the first pic I showed is the 1929 RPT

Still a very rare badge, and great to see the pic. of it in wear, I assume your badge is the hollow, anyone have the solid version?

Thanks for sharing

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Hi, I am working with an enamellist dating various forms of enamel product, am I correct in saying the attached piece is from after 1970? The pinned topic above from Rick seems to say so, But as dating is important I'd like to check.

Thanks for any help

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That's true.. clearly the guy is a real slacker.

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Check out this guys hardware. Is there anything he does'nt have?

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http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Portrait-AK-Orden-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Here is a link that shows modern versions of Japanese medals being produced.

Hope others find it interesting, as I did.

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http://www.mint.go.jp/eng/operations/order/process01.html

I guess as most of us have been collecting militaria for so many years we all look back at times when we could have had REAL bargains, and I always feel these ribbon bars were a perfect example, I remember when huge long WW1/2 German ribbon bars would just sit in the dealers display for ever... no-one wanted them, and they cost next to nothing too, god only knows what was there, I thought about buying a couple but never did. A crystal ball would have been handy I suppose.

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MEIJI - TAISHO - SHOWA

My take on the 3 versions shown above are based on observing the wing tips, which on Meiji has the 3rd feather as longest, and then on to the belt loops for the other 2 which have the 2nd feather as longest, Showa belt has a hole missing. I will edit to say that the Taisho piece came with the ribbon bow type lapel fixing, and of course to acknowledge that Paul's article is far more detailed and better to study than this.

Nice to see you again Rick

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For Laurence, sorry I've taken really good scans, but I'm not being allowed to upload them, hope this will suffice... take3

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Back of the 2 toned examples, again I cannot capture the toning on my camera, but worth a look.

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p.s. Thanks to all for sharing on this forum, I look forward to many hours of learning, thanks again.