paul wood

An old friend.

Paul

Thanks in advance of any help!

My guess is third Afghan war period.

Paul

I recently purchased this Bolivian Order of the Condor having admired the design and workmanship on this order for quite some time. In trying to gather information on this order I have found very little information as follows:

The Order of the Condor of the Andes(Orden Nacional del Cóndor de los Andes)is a medal of the Bolivian government. Instituted on April 12, 1925, the Order is awarded for exceptional merit, either civil or military, shown by Bolivians or foreign nationals. There are six grades: Collar, Grand Cross, Grand Officer, Commander, Officer, and Knight. The order is still in existence and is awarded by the Bolivian government.

I am seeking any additional information on the history of this order and would be grateful for any additional information that GMIC members could provide.

Were there other makers beside Arthus Bertrand of this order? How many of these medals were issued? Also any other photos of various types members have in their collections posted to this thread would be great!

Many Thanks,

Marcus

Marcus,

Bertrand is the main manufacturer, however there are insignia manufactured by La Royale of Rio de Janiero.

Paul

I have my eye on something and never knew these even existed. Anyone have information relating to these and how many may have been awarded?

Thanks in advance!

Tim

It was awarded to every Brazilian service man who was serving during the period 1917-18 so presumably a reasonable number. I have handled a few of them.

Paul

Thanks Paul,

The quality of the workmanship is amazing. So I take it that the firm Bichai is no longer in business?

Best Regards, Marcus

Not that I am aware of but I am not sure who makes current Egyptian insignia.

Paul

The Commanders badge.

The manufacturer is Tewfik Bichai probably made in the 1960's.

Charming man who I met on several occasions. He spent his latter years in Canada.

In the 1980's and 90's he was selling off large quantities of surplus stock not only of Egyptian but other middle eastern Orders.

Paul

Hello folks,

Here's a picture of Feld Marschall Alfred Graf von Waldersee, who commanded the German and International Armies during the latter stages of the Boxer Rebellion. He's wearing the khaki uniform which he wore out to China.

I'm curious as to what his medals are, and most particularly the gold or bronze badge below his 1870 EK1 on his left breast?

Any help would be appreciated!

Cheers

Chris

General Adjutant's badge?

Paul

Hello.

Is it a fake?

What is of a second or first class?

Thanks.

2nd Class set can see no obvious reason why it fake (unless it has come from a Chinese seller on E-Bay).

Paul

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Hi Paul, thank you very much for your prompt response. The inscription on the edge of the coin reads, (4245 C.S.M. jr Momadu Bauchi. NIG.R.W.A.F.F) Inscribed on the back of the medal reads, (For Distinguished Conduct In The Field) In the extensive research that had been done on our part, during a trip to Nigeria in the later 80's, documents were acquired with Momadu Bauchi's listing, also there was a mention of a Mama Bauchi written in the book, "Nigeria and the great War". Bauchi was not the sir name of these soldiers. Because their names were so difficult to pronounce, they were identified by their first name and provence (Bauchi) that they were from and then given their ID number. This research is very important to us because we are in development of a motion picture screenplay. The information that we posses is very disturbing describing why, how, where, when and who set forth the DCM. Have you had the opportunity to see a picture of any of these particular medals that were awarded to the Native African's during 1914-1918? Thank you once again and I look forward to your response.

In addition, I just located 4245 Mamadu Bauchi in the following: SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 31 MAY, 1916. 5427

Now, I just need to know if there are any existing medals out there other than the one we posses, this would just make our screenplay that much more unique.

Michael Q

I have now found him the references are very confusing.

DCM Nig Gazette 12/10/16, p. 533 (Cameroons: Gen citation Sgt. NR)

Bar Nig. Gazette 10/10/18. P. 396 (German East Africa CSM 4NR)

For taking up his present duties on 17th Sept in succession to a C.S.M. with an exceptionally fine record and in addition having the disadvantage of being a new comer to his present company, he had a difficult position to fill during an important period, but by constant disregard of personal risk and by sound judgement in action, continual hard work and fine handling of the men he rapidly established himself and his services and example have been of the greatest of value.

M.I.D. Cameroons: L.Gaz. 31/5/16 (Dobell's despatch) 127 DCMS were issued to the WAFF during WWI with 5 First bars and one Second bar.

So while the medal is not unique, it is extremely rare.

As to other entitlements difficult to say obv. WWI, given he was a Sgt. in 1916 quite possibly entitled to a pre-war AGS.

All the best,

Paul

That is correct. According to the medal it would be 1918. so your assumption is correct. In 1918 he was a Warlord and founded the Anfu club which was the political arm of the Anhui clique which at that time had won three-fourths of the seats in the National Assembly. In 1919 Xu assumed command of the Northwest Frontier Defense Army, which invaded newly independent Outer Mongolia in October. On November 17th, he forced Outer Mongolia to withdraw its declaration of autonomy, thus temporarily bringing Mongolia back under the control of China.He was later assasinated, He was a very colorful guy and died at the ripe old age of 45 on December 1925. This makes the medal a very significant part of China's Republic history, I don't know the meaning of "gear wheel flag" The flags pictured are the traditional flags of the Republic and have the stripes that represent the ethnic groups that make up the Republic. Hope this helps.

Richard

If you wish to see an illustration of the obverse there is an example in A.N.S. part 3, Morton and Eden, 26 April 2007, lot 130.

All the best,

Paul

Hello folks, need some help here. My colleague is the curator/owner of what we believe to be the only existing DCM awarded to a Nigerian Soldier (4digit ID withheld, Mamadu Bauchi) in 1915 and whom had been awarded this medal a second time in 1918. This is with our belief, after nearly 20 years of research including travels to Nigeria and UK for documented research. In addition, our research indicates that there were less than 50 DCM's awarded to Native Africans of which 4 soldiers had received it twice. I am in search of an answer for a very specific reason that i will share at a later date. Can someone please show me another one of these medals with the correct ribbon representing the Royal West African Frontier Force Distinguished Conduct Medal and prove me wrong. Thank you in advance for your help. Michael Q

I cannot find a Mamadu Bauchi on the roll for the RWAFF DCM however there are 3 Mentions of a Moma Bauchi one 5 NR (1285 Pte) Nig Gaz. 12/10/16 (Cameroons). The other two are both 2NR (5394 Pte.) Nig Gaz 25/11/15 (Cameroons) (7140 Sgt)

Nig Gaz 7/3/18 (G.E.A.).

I have further details if the last two are the same as on the medal you mention.

Paul

I try translate. "Ministry of Defense", "For participation in mission". "Republic Bulgaria". On my mind, peacemaker's medal.

Probably relating to UN Peace Keeping missions in which Bulgarian troops are involved.

Paul

Sorry Mervyn,

Am I being dim, how can you tell the third one, the Coronation 1937 is Rhodesian.

All the best,

Paul

Bonsoir,

It looks like several medals were actually struck to commemorate the reinstatement of France as a Naval Power.

The first one appears to have been struck in 1665, with the the same general look (Louis XIV on one side, a sailing ship on the other one), but the legends :

"LUDOVICUS XIIII. REX CHRITIANIS"

and :

"NAVIGATIO INSTAURATA

M.DC.LXV."

Another medal would be struck - that would be yours - with the date "1668" (there are references to a "M.DC.LXVIII" legend as well, so there could be several variations out there).

In 1670, yet another medal is recorded - with the legend "Res navalis instaurata"

These medals were apparently PR operations, striking a statement (a repeated statement...) inside -and outside- France that there was a Naval Power to reckon with...

(sorry no pictures available)

Salutations,

J?r?me

The medal was by the official royal medallist Jean Warin. There are two specimens in the British Museum.

Paul

This shows the reverse side. Brittania with the wreath of forgiveness and accompanied by the British Lion - the Sun in Splendour in background.

Sorry, I must have pressed twice - can anyone remove - please ?

Mervyn,

Thank you for showing. A most interesting campaign with a lot of small units receiving medals and a relatively inexpensive field for collectors.

As one who is interested in the earlier AGS (up to Somaliland 1920) awarded to Indian troops I have always found it a lovely medal.

The Kenya is the oddball of the AGS being issued over 35 years after the last campaign. The reverse emblem being rather ironic when the sun of empire far from being in splendour was definitely setting (bit like India in the 30's and 40's).

I feel that if somebody where to research the campaign thoroughly there could be an interesting book.

All the best,

Paul

wow, this looks like a good opportunity to learn a lot! hc8604, which one of the 3 stamps tells you that it is 3th class? My Chinese is very very basic and specially by this old characters I have no chance to identify anything.

Where do you see the number 3 (三) in the characters? second character of number 1??

2 is the general Precious Tripon stamp, right?

best regards

This is quite odd. The colours are correct for third class. The 3rd Class star in ANS was numbered 411. I can only assume the ANS Star was part of a set comprising a neck badge and a breast star and the neck badge went AWOL. Can anyone confirm this.

Paul

Nice One! Thanks. Doc

The way to tell the Paris mint restrikes of the silver from the originals is that on the restrikes the edge is stamped argent and quite often with a French silver hallmark. On the originals the edge is plain.

All the best,

Paul

Thanks for the correction, I knew that 3rd and 6th class have only one star, that's what puzzled me. But I thought that the 3rd class (三等) medal is a single Breast Star (whit one red star). I took my information from the Gongqing Li's Book «Chinese Orders 1862-1955». I guess medal collecting is a constant process of learning.

cheers

a l e x

It is a 6th Class, very early C. 1930. The 3rd class is a star see ANS Part 3 Morton and Eden 26 April 2007 which illustrates all 9 classes.

Paul

We have a couple of real specialists on the site (not including me). I suspect they'll come out of the weeds soon.

Best,

Hugh

Look nice to me, my guess for date is probably late 30's

Paul

WOW!!!!!!

Now THAT folks is a treasure!!!

My neighbor at uni. was the great grandson of an Iranian tribal chief. On his mantelpiece he had a photo of his granddad standing with his warriors in front of a pile of heads!

The Shahs of Iranian spent a LOT of time consolidating their power with their "modern" military forces in the 1800s and God alone knows what this medal was awarded for! If only it could talk.

The gold alone must be worth @ $2,500.

The gold weighs around half a troy ounce (5 Tomans) of 21 carat gold (the medal is quite thin) gold value is about $800

all the best,

Paul

Hi Paul,

thanks for your info... do you know the market value of such medals?

ciao,

Claudio

These turn up on the market from time to time. One in A.N.S. part 3, Morton and Eden 26 April 2007, lot 296, with suspension removed and replaced £850. So yours must be worth in the region of £1,000.

Hope this helps,

Paul

I looks very much like this coin, of Ahmad Shah Qajar, the last king of the dynasty, reigned for about 16 years. He reigned with regent from 1909 to 1914.

The one I show is wearable.

Ciao,

Claudio

Nasr ed Din Reward for Valour, AH 1300 (1883).

Rabino di Borgomale, Coins Medals and Seals of the Shahs of Iran, Tehran 1974, Plate 43 no 45 (also issued in silver).

All the best,

Paul

what name for this order? what class for this order? I do not know. my friend want sale this order, but he still do not know what about this. only know this order was send to his grandfather one minister of foreign affairs about at 1925--1930

anybady know this order and can help?

thank you

Bolivia, National Order of the Condor of the Andes.

Paul

what name for this order? what class for this order? I do not know. my friend want sale this order, but he still do not know what about this. only know this order was send to his grandfather one minister of foreign affairs about at 1925--1930

anybady know this order and can help?

thank you

Bolivia, National Order of the Condor of the Andes.

Paul

Interesting I have never before seen this award till a few days ago in this new auction catalog: http://www.coins-la-...id=60&id=220847

It is also listed as unknown there... but what a coincidence that this pops up twice now! do you have a picture of the medals backside?

a l e x

Would suspect that the one in Stabouli's sale is 3rd class, Kim's is 2nd class and if we find an example with 3 stars that will be first class.

All the best,

Paul