paul wood

Hi Dick,

Thank you for your posting but we returned to the starting point : what are the exact colours for the 3rd class ribbon of the Striped Tiger Order ??

As always stated the central colour seems to be the green (watered or darker) but what is the correct colour for the edge stripes : the 'red' or the 'purple' ??

Red, the examples of the ANS were acquired fairly contemporarily to their issue.

Paul

Regards

Lilo

Hi Paul,

Many thanks for your help.

You say me to see 'ANS 3' but what is this ? Can you post a link please ?

Many Thanks

Lilo

wwwmortonandeden.com. and follow the links. 26 April 2007. The plates are seperate in J Peg form. I just tried accessing it without much difficulty.

All the best,

Paul

When I bought this large (53mm/58grs) silver medal I thought it commemorated the founding of the polish Order of the White Eagle. It was obviously period, as it had been used as a marriage-medal between Jean Cardeux & Marie-Rose Viader on the 20th of October 1783, who had it engraved.

It was shown to Zdzislaw P. Wesolowski in the early '80s when he was preparing his book on Polish Decorations (1705-1985). A picture was made of the medal which he published as figure 18, page 11 of the 1985 printing of the book. It is there described as :

"Medal Benemerentibus. King August III established a civilian decoration on August 3, 1749 to be awarded for outstanding service in public and social service, arts and sciences. The medal had the bust of the king in royal regalia with the following words : AUGUSTUS III D.G. REX POLONIARUM. The reverse had a table on which the chain of the Order of the White Eagle rests. Below the table, the date of the establishment of the medal, 3 Aug. MDCCXLVIIII. Above the table in Latin : DE REGE ET REPUBLICA BENE MERENTIBUS (FOR MERITORIOUS SERVICE TO THE KING AND THE REPUBLIC). The medal was made by Wermuth. 50mm in silver".

Could anyone help me decide whether it is a commemorative medal or a true award ?. I would certainly be happier to go along with Wesolowski's definition, but I really have a doubt. Are other pieces known to exist ?

Suggestions will be gratefully received. Thank you

Very best regards

Veteran

Dear Veteran,

According to Count Emeric Hutten-Czapski's monumental 5 volume work on the coins and medals of Poland. Published in the late 19th century and reprinted in Graz in the 1970's The medal by Heinrich Freidrich Wemuth according to Czapski was "frappee pour la fete de L'Aigle Blanc anniversaire de la fete du Roi". There is a similar piece to this listed by him but dated 1751. It is most certainly a commemorative medal and is listed as R1 by Czapski which means not common but not rare (R8 is the highest grade of rarity which is unique). So presumably all the guests at the jollification received the medal as a gift.

I hope this is of help,

All the best,

Paul

Sorry for the muck ups couldn't seem to type a reply on your message. Red outer stripes with a very watery green centre, see ANS 3 where we had a virtual set of them. Also the third class badge is the only piece of insignia worn as a neckbadge, the Second is worn as a sash badge, while the fourth is worn as a breast badge.

All the best,

Paul

Hi Everyone,

I look for your help to exactly establish, in regards of the Striped Tiger Order, which are the colours of the 3rd class ribbon ?

I know that the central large stripe colour is : (+ or - dark) green;

I have seen the two edge stripes in red, violet, and ligth red/rose colours.

What I'm trying to establish is the correct colour of the 'two edge stripes'.

Hoping that someone can give me the answer

Best Regards

Lilo

Hi Everyone,

I look for your help to exactly establish, in regards of the Striped Tiger Order, which are the colours of the 3rd class ribbon ?

I know that the central large stripe colour is : (+ or - dark) green;

I have seen the two edge stripes in red, violet, and ligth red/rose colours.

What I'm trying to establish is the correct colour of the 'two edge stripes'.

Hoping that someone can give me the answer

Best Regards

Lilo

Hi Everyone,

I look for your help to exactly establish, in regards of the Striped Tiger Order, which are the colours of the 3rd class ribbon ?

I know that the central large stripe colour is : (+ or - dark) green;

I have seen the two edge stripes in red, violet, and ligth red/rose colours.

What I'm trying to establish is the correct colour of the 'two edge stripes'.

Hoping that someone can give me the answer

Best Regards

Lilo

Here is the reverse of the order

Pavel

Pavel,

I smell a bare tailed brown coloured rodent. The suspension ring has a 1908-17 kokoshnik, Julius was court supplier of Orders from 1862 until his death in 1882. therefore one would expect to see the St Petersburg hall mark as used prior to 1898, occaisionaqlly but not always dated. The size is inconsistent with any official Russian production and the enamel colouring does not look quite right. It looks like the work of the North German school, which I believe source from Russia. Many a German collection which I have handled has been bedevilled with these works, which to the untutored can seem plausable but when placed under detailed scrutiny fail to measure up. What you also have to realise is that in the 50's and 60's there were still people who worked on the production of Imperial Orders alive and well and who still possessed the skills and some of the copies (which are extremely dangerous) are composite combining genuine elements with faked elements (a bit like the furnniture trade where one wormed Jacobean table can make eight new ones). I would certainly avoid this piece like the plague.

Paul

It?s an old and beautiful specimen of the Potuguese "Orden de Villaviciosa", Souza is a well know Lisbon jeweler (Tha name of the street means "Golden street" (Rua Aurea, probably because a lot of jewelers have his shops/workshops there...

The price will be in the 400 - 500 - till 700 USD. The breast badges (Knight and officer) are in the 150-200 USD ranges...It depend of the moment and the market rules as you already knows...(I would, probably, spend 400 USD if the medal come to me without much haggling)

Regards

PS/ Check emedals and liverpool medals...

Mike,

I would suggest it dates from the late third to early fourth quarter of the 19th century, given the reverse suspension, certainly a very early specimen of Da Costa's work. Interestingly as the Order of Villa Vicosa is a Dynastic award it is still awarded by the head of the Portuguese royal house the Duke of Braganza. See Bader van Duren for more information. As yours is a nice early and good quality piece I would reckon it at around ?400-600. If two or more Potuguese buyers decided it was amust have for their collection as they did not have an example of this variety then I believe it could make somewhat. All in all what you have is a most interesting piece of insignia of the Order.

All the best,

Paul

Artan

Thanks for information.

Here's a link to King Leka's organisation in which there are details of a few appointments during 2008, together with images of the Grand Officer and Commander insignia bestowed on the recipients.

http://albania.dyndns.org/najbor01092008.htm

The central medallion of the GO star seems to be silver. Not sure if that was always the case with the type II GO star.

Cheers,

James

Dear Artan,

What you say about the exile awards being just diplomas now makes sense. In the Izzet Said Khourchid group of Orders and decorations (he was a Lebanese diplomat) Morton and Eden 3 July 2008, lot 71, there was a warrant for the Commander's neck badge of the Order of Skanderbeg, Alexandria 19 January 1952 but no insignia. Concerning the Italian occupation are you saying that unissued Zog pieces were still awarded, even though there was the Italian occupation variety of the various national orders? Or am I completely barking up the wrong tree.

All the best,

Paul

wow-off to the JOMSA

Mike there appears to be a makers name and possibly address an the back behind the double supension pin. If you can give me the details I should be able to date within 10-20 years.

Look forward to hearing from you,

Paul

The card seems to have been sent from Ursula von Oppell, so I assume it is her husband... (Hubby von Oppell)

Any idea what his awards are?

Thanks

Chris

The one below the EK1 looks very much like the Mecklenburg war cross.

Paul

Good Morning Artan,

Thank you for your post.

Actually, I do know which order is which.

I was really asking about details for the Order of Bravery. Did the first class have precedence over all the other decorations, what were the conditions of award, name of the order in Albanian, and names of the different grades.

Do you have larger scans of the grades?

With kind regards,

James

Dear Artan,

Thank you for this most interesting group of posts, the Wied and Zog period awards are very difficult to get specific details about, there is a very limited amount of published material (certainly in English) and the more information you can give us concerning these relatively short lived Orders and Decorations is more than welcome. By the by can you tell me how (without warrants) one can distinguish between pre Italian occupation and exile pieces.

Anything you can give us will be most welcome,

Paul

Hi Gordon,

Yes it's currently the subject of discussion on the GWF. This 'discovery' isn't what it seems, as it seems some of us were quizzing the IRC about these records years ago. I was asking questions about POW's lists in 1989 and the answer then was only "information can be given to blood relatives". Fortunately those I've helped find their relatives who were POW's got some good results from the IRC records, but it's annoying to hear that 'no-one has ever asked about them', which isn't strictly true, we've actually been "denied access".

I gather from the Today programme on radio 4 that they are going to be digitalised, a process which should take around 4 years but I gather the WW2 records will take many many years and only the younger members of this forum wiull be around when that happens. They also have a lot of unpublished place and date of death and burial locations.

Paul

Paul

"Hawai Sepoy" which one Indian-published book I have spells "Hawaii Sepoy" which conjures up visions of some interesting uniforms.

I have a very nice RIAF pair to a Squadron Leader Joseph Kenneth Frank Pereira, Joined 12/9/43. Commanded balloon squadron in S. E. Asia (medal & clasp) and India Independence (both named Squadron Leader).One of the jewels of my collection.

Paul

Does anyone have details about the decorations and medals of Mexico for the independence period up to 1830?

I cannot find details anywhere online.

The Order of Guadalupe is fairly well known and I found a good deal about them. However, there were also a number of purely military decorations and medals. There were seven crosses (or stars) which seem to pertain to particular battles. Of these I have found information on three:

The Tepeaca Cross (Crucero de Tepeaca): awarded to officers and men who served with distinction during the defence of Tepeaca under General Herrera 20^th-21^st April 1821 when the independence forces were defeated by the Spanish.

The Cordova Star (Estrella de C?rdoba): awarded to officers and men of the 9^th Division of the Ej?rcito Trigarante (army of the three guarantees: religion, independence and unity) in the actions against the Spanish forces at the City of C?rdoba 16^th to 21^st May 1821.

The Juchi Cross (Crucero de Juchi): awarded to officers and men who took part in suppressing the uprising by the withdrawing Spanish forces led by Colonel Francisco Buceli at Juchi on 2^nd April 1822.

Any information on the other four crosses or on the medals would be appreciated.

With thanks,

James

The main reference for these items is Frank W. Groves Medals of Mexico Vol. III, 1974, IBSN 0-88242-005-4

Cruz de Toluca 19 June 1821;

Cruz de Azcapotzalco, Ist, 2nd and 3rd class 19 August 1821;

Medal for the Siege of Durango 30 August-3 September 1821;

Cruz de Independencia, Triple Garantia 1a Epocha (2 varieties)

Medal of the same in silver and bronze 2 varieities Spanish and Latin legends;

Medal for 2a Epocha, 2 varieties as before, silver and bronze;

Cruz de Veracruz 27 October 1822 (authorised 1840);

Cruz de Uluia 25 September 1823-23 November 1825, two varieties one authorises 1840 (also Spanish silver medal for the action)

Tampico Medal 1829, gold, silver and bronze.

Hope this helps,

Paul

Hello gents,

thank you for the reply and information, already a litlebit wiser.

The smaller mark on the back is a little sword.

kind regards,

Roeland

A dutch silver guarantee mark,

All the best,

Paul

The closest I can come to is Riga or possibly Magdeburg.

Paul

I hate - despise and generaly dread these types of threads - but here I go and begin a folly of misadventure:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Hungarian-Air-Forc...A1%7C240%3A1318

Why do people bid so high on these??? Any Idea why?

I have virtually no knowledge of daggers but it appears to be a most attractive piece, what period is it from, Horthy Regency? Also is it genuine. It is the sort of thing if I saw at a military fair for under ?100 I would be tempted.

Paul

Hello gents,

a collection colleague of mine bought this order.

We think is is some kind of freemason order or else from some kind of a religieus

or brotherly society/associotion.

Does anybody recognise the order? or has anybod got an idea of what it could be for/from?

Thanks in advance for the help.

kind regards,

Roeland

Roeland,

I can see that the hallmark is the small Dutch guarantee mark, post 1953 I can't work out what the smaller mark is. My guess is it is a protestant unofficial knightly order. It has almost Johanniter like looks.

Hope you get more positive information,

Paul

A friend of mine brought in a badge which he had found in the back of a fireplace he was repairing sometime ago. The badge which is about 75 mm long and which appears to be silver or silver alloy comprises a crossed ski and ice pick with an eidelweiss flower surmounted on the centre, the flower bears the inscription "Ski Heil" and the back appears to have a makers mark on the reverse which owing to its size and my myopic vision I wasn't totally certain about it but I believe was something like DRGM, the back has a double pin similar to that which one would have on a cap badge. To my friend it is of great sentimental value as it was the only interesting thing he found when renovating his house and so he is reluctant to let me have custody of it but I wonder if any forum members have any idea as to its exact status.

Thanking you in advance,

Paul

SG stands for silver-gilt, the hallmark is london 1919.

Hope this helps,

Paul

If you PM me with your address then I can quite happilly do photocopies of the relevant books.

Hope this is of help,

All the best,

Paul

Spot on.

Paul

Paul,

Is this correct now?

Thanks!

Jason

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This is an Officer of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, 1st. Type, Civil Division awarded to Major John Alexander Ferguson. He was born February 2, 1880, and arrived in India in 1904 after having qualified in the exams of 1903. During WWI, he was gazetted as 2nd. Lieutenant in the 5th. Punjab Light Horse, Indian Defence Force on September 6, 1918. He was also a Registrar of the High Court in Lahore, and Secretary for the Punjab of the Second Indian War Loan. He received the Officer of Most Excellent Order of the British Empire at the New Year's Honors in 1919. He later received the Companion of the Order of the Indian Empire at the King's Birthday Honors on June 3, 1935 (Indian Civil Service Commissioner, Rawalpindi Division, Punjab). He is also entitled to a British War medal, and is on the Indian Silver Jubilee medal roll.