paul wood

Paul thanks for your reply. The left ring is mine. I got it in Germany. It has a German 800 mark inside and a probably Italian stamp on the outside band.

Cheers,

Benten

Makes sense probably a souvenir of North Africa (probably Libya or Tunisia) circa 1941-42

Paul

Ribands look like Czech War Cross and Medal of the Revolution.

Paul

Dear all,

I agree that in the scheme of things the Order of Faustin ought to be rarer and certainly in the higher grades it is extremely elusive. I have however handled four Knight's badge (and 2 miniatures) of Faustin I. Strangely with the Legiond d'Honneur I have only encountered two breast stars (one with pastes, a later restoration and the ANS French made specimen). Obviously I can only judge rarety by the examples accounted. By the way has anyone ever encountered the Orders of St Mary Magdalene or St Anne, I certainly never have. If any one has (and preferably has an image) I would be most interested.

All the best,

Paul

If they were Abyssinian then the charachters would be ahramaic. The charachters look mote Arabic to me.

Paul

It appears that almost all Order from the Faustin I period are badly damaged. The Legion d' Honneur is based very much on the French one and the suspension is very similar.

I would leave well alone, it is a scarce award and certainly rarer than the Order of Faustin, and given that it is already quite beadly damaged I think attempted restoration could bee quite dangerous.

Paul

not so much a coin, more a commemorative

It is by the famous German medalist Karl Goetz (of Lusitania medal fame), issued in gold, 36 mm, silver, 60 and 36 mm and bronze 36 mm, a very collectable medal.

Paul

Well, I just received the group pictured below and would like to ask for some help identifying the man who did wear it:

Lt. Col. W. E. Manhard DSO 5th FLD. CO. C. E.

(engraved on the rim of the Colonial Auxiliary foce Long Service medal)

All medals are engraved except the DSO itdelf.

I was wondering if somebody has something on his bio and reasons for all those medals being awarded to him?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Andreas

William Edward Manhard, D.S.O. New Years Honours 1917 (so no citation but corps history might help you), Temporary Captain 18/2/16; Acting Major I9/10/16; Temp. Major 9/10/17; Acting Lt. Col. 24/1/19; Lt Col. 12/6/19.

Hope this helps,

Paul

Thank you both, Rick and Paul, for the very useful information you have given

The medal is, of course, Czarine Catherine, and not Elisabeth. I must have been cross-eyed when I looked at the medal. So it is therefore later than I staded, truly the second half of the XVIIIthe Century. I wonder how official this "Russian Society for a Liberal Economy" could have been in those days?

It had been sitting in a drawer for 35 years, quite forgotten. I am delighted to know what it is. This forum brings the answers to so many questions.... I will try and track a copy of the Smirnov as suggested by Paul. Thank you again

Veteran

I believe that it was a Society with Imperial Patronage as awards were being issued certainly by later Czar's. To have the Czar of the Czarina's portrait on the medal would only be allowed if it had their support.

All the best,

Paul

That would say "For Labor-- the Reward."

It is the prize medal for the Russian Society for a Liberal Economy. The medal bears the portrait of Catherine the Great (1762-96) (not Elizabeth Petrovna). Comes in 3 sizes, 63 mm 43 mm and 38 mm and was struck from at least four different dies.

The piece you illustrate appears to be in very good condition and as you are probably well aware the Russian market is exceedingly strong. the largest size would make in excess of 1,000 euros while the smaller size would still probably realise 500

The best book (or at least for non-Russians the most accessible) is "Description de Medailles Russes 862-1908, V. P. Smirnov, St. Petersburg 1908, reprinted by Francois van Hoof and Andre Schoevaert on behalf of the Russian Numismatic Society U.S.A. in 1990 (So should be reasonably easy to track a copy down at a reasonable price) and being in French is more user friendly than some of the more recent (and more detailed) Russian productions. Is also useful from the phaleristic point of view as it lists all the early award medals which were especially in the 18th century in the form of table medals but also lists some of the later (especially civil ) awards.

Hope this is of help,

Paul

That would say "For Labor-- the Reward."

It is the prize medal for the Russian Society for a Liberal Economy. The medal bears the portrait of Catherine the Great (1762-96) (not Elizabeth Petrovna). Comes in 3 sizes, 63 mm 43 mm and 38 mm and was struck from at least four different dies.

The piece you illustrate appears to be in very good condition and as you are probably well aware the Russian market is exceedingly strong. the largest size would make in excess of 1,000 euros while the smaller size would still probably realise 500

The best book (or at least for non-Russians the most accessible) is "Description de Medailles Russes 862-1908, V. P. Smirnov, St. Petersburg 1908, reprinted by Francois van Hoof and Andre Schoevaert on behalf of the Russian Numismatic Society U.S.A. in 1990 (So should be reasonably easy to track a copy down at a reasonable price) and being in French is more user friendly than some of the more recent (and more detailed) Russian productions. Is also useful from the phaleristic point of view as it lists all the early award medals which were especially in the 18th century in the form of table medals but also lists some of the later (especially civil ) awards.

Hope this is of help,

Paul

Hi Ulsterman! I don't know if it is a cap badge, it measures 45mm high by 38mm wide. Sorry I don't have a reverse shot, but it has pin setup that looks like the ones found on wound badges if that's any help.

Description is spot on very similar to the Kyfhausser Jugendbund

Paul

Yes, I know, yet ANOTHER plea for help! This tinnie arrived recently and I don't know if it had an exact name other than Hitler-Woche July 1932, or is this the correct name? It is 43mm by 30mm.

I can't find it in Heering and Husken's book and I fear from the fabric and quality (assuming it's a reasonable image) it doesn't look very real to me. I am not saying that every tinnie known is listed in the book (mine is 1986) but given the prices some of the more interesting ones are making I suspect that the boy's are at their tricks.

Paul

Was the correct name for the Hindenburg Cross the Ehrenkreuz f?r Frontkampfer? I want to start a new section on my site and also to start a makers mark database here for the HK's, (I have 27 different makers so far) but I'm not sure as to the proper name of the award? I'm guessing the English translation for that is Honour Cross for Combatants or something similar? Also, just to push my luck, could anyone help me with the correct German names for the three different classes? Mit Schwerten f?r (combatants), Ohne Schwerten f?r (non-combatants) Ohne Schwerten f?r (widows?). Forgive my clumsly attempts at German! I have 23 swords, 2 no swords and 2 widows so far, and growing!

Weltskreig Ehrenkreuz (World War Honour Cross)

Fur Frontkampfer (Combatants) with swords

Fur Kriegsteilnehmer (Non Combatants) without swords, light bronze

Fur Hinterbliebene (War Widows) without swords, dark bronze.

A nice and relatively inexpensive series to collect with loads of different makers, Urkunde (bestowal documents) and packets of issue for these crosses are quite plentiful and inexpensive, I would go for some of those, I do not know how many variants there are (I'm sure someone on this forum has a good idea) but it is a collecting field which should keep you out of mischief for a while.

Hope this helps,

All the best,

Paul

Hi Paul,

This is the best pic I can get of the Star. It has seven red stones embedded in the crescent. I wonder if the number seven had some meaning to the fellow?

Regards,

Sam

Dear Sam,

It appears to be the standard German issue (usually either B B & Co or .925 stamped on reverse) the exception being the addition of the seven ruby like stones. Thank you for showing it to me most interesting.

Paul

Hi,

I had already posted this thread at the Imperial German section, but it was suggested I post it here as what I thought really interesting is the Turkish Life Saving medal in last place. I've read that it was for rescue at sea and the number of rescues was indicated by the ribbon color, green in this instance, meaning two rescues. I've also read that this was a somewhat rare award, but I don't know as my interest mainly lay with Imperial German. The Rescue medal and blue backing lead me to believe this may have been a junior naval officer ( the Wurttemburg Friedrichs order Knight 2nd class was given to leutnante and oberleutnante). This group also has an unusual Gallipoli Star with seven stones in the crescent. It was on D.N.'s update Friday. Any insight is appreciated.

Sam K.

A most interesting group. The green riband allegedly denotes two rescues, however that is the only coloured riband I have ever seen for the medal. The other Turkish Medal is the Liyakat medal with AH 1332 (1914) clasp. The clasp on the riband I cannot identify as the image is not clear enough. The life saving medal on its own is worth about ?200 so a nice group. Any chance of an image of the unusual AH 1333 War Medal (incorrectly called the Gallipoli Star.

Paul

I agree that they are a most attractive medal. I have only handled a small number in many years but because they are of commemorative nature they are unexpensive in relation to their scarcity.

Paul

If you look on the Morton and Eden website (wwwmortonandeden.com), follow the links to sales archive and look in ANS part 2 Lot 1044 and there is a photo of Chicken's VC (now in the Ashcroft collection). You are more than welcome to use it as long as you give M&E credit.

All the best,

Paul

@veteran

a) never heard before, never seen before

b) can't find it in my prochazka, can you guide me?

haynau

Dear Veteran,

I am assuming that the photograph is an enlargement, according to Falkenstein the medal is 27 mm. As far as I can see from the image I can see no cause for alarm as to the authenticity.

Maria Theresia was King (yes king) in Hungary and the Magyars tended to be the HRE's cannon fodder. I would suggest that the medal is at least scarce, if not rare.

All the best,

Paul

In the meantime look for the Zeige auction on 22.09.2007 with 3 catalogues !!!

greetings

eitze

Alle ist echt?

Paul

Anyone know when the next Theis auction will be. The last one was the beginning of May. I think there should be one coming up.

I spoke to Andreas at the OMSA convention. I believe that the next one is sometime in October and I gather from Andreas it is going to be a fairly hefty tome.

Paul

For anyone wanting information on the Order of Milosh the Great there is an extremely good OMSA monograph (No. 3) by Dragomir M. Acovic published in 1980 containing statutes, nominal lists of all the awards. It is interesting to note that it was only 9 times in the first class 22 times 2nd, 66 3rd and 128 4th so a geniunly very rare order in all classes. there are also pictures of all the classes with the exception of the 1st and 2nd class badges (So the sash badge illustrated is a very valuable image, there is also a picture of a warrant (that must be as rare as rocking horse manure). I was fortunate enough to purchase the monograph for the princely sum of $4 at the OMSA convention.

Paul

Very much so, thanks Paul. Just out of interest have you any idea how much the silver ones are worth, as I`ve seen them sell on Ebay from ?100 to less than ?20. I assume that the condition has something to do with it, but the ones I saw all looked very similar, I could account for the differnce in price, any ideas?

Gordon.

Condition is a major factor in pricing. The halfcrowns, shillings and sixpences were produced in large numbers. A used but readable example is about ?20 a very fine example, minor wear but a nice coin about ?75 and a mint state example ?200-300.

Also with E-bay there is no acounting for buyer's quirkiness.

Paul

Bonsoir,

It looks like several medals were actually struck to commemorate the reinstatement of France as a Naval Power.

The first one appears to have been struck in 1665, with the the same general look (Louis XIV on one side, a sailing ship on the other one), but the legends :

"LUDOVICUS XIIII. REX CHRITIANIS"

and :

"NAVIGATIO INSTAURATA

M.DC.LXV."

Another medal would be struck - that would be yours - with the date "1668" (there are references to a "M.DC.LXVIII" legend as well, so there could be several variations out there).

It is a medal for the restoration of the Marine in 1668 by Jean Warin who was the official engraver at the French Royal mint and produced dies for the Regal coinage. If you look at the rim it may say BRONZE, if this is the cae it is a 19th century or later Paris mint restrike, if there is nothing on the rim then it is likely to be contemporary. Probably the best book on this subject is French Medals 1600-72, A Catalogue of the Fench Medals in the British Museum, Volume 2, by Mark Jones ISBN 0-7141-0856-1.

Hope this is of help,

Paul

In 1670, yet another medal is recorded - with the legend "Res navalis instaurata"

These medals were apparently PR operations, striking a statement (a repeated statement...) inside -and outside- France that there was a Naval Power to reckon with...

(sorry no pictures available)

Salutations,

J?r?me

Heres what I think is an interesting little coin. Made from captured Spanish silver...

These coins comprisng gold 5 guineas, 1745 and 1746, guinea and half-guinea, 1745, silver crown, 1746, halfcrown, shilling and sixpence, 1745 and 1746. These were struck from Spanish treasure captured during Admiral Anson circumnavigation of the globe 1740-44. There are also British gold coins struck in 1703 with Vigo below the bust following the successful Anglo-Dutch expedition against the Spanish culminating in the victory in Vigo Bay, bullion seized from this was made into coins.

Hope this is of interest.

Paul

Does someone knew who the owner is?

It might be worth phoning Andreas about them (0049(0)1712662781) he should be able to answer your questions.

Paul