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Maker 24 (Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Blakettenhersteller)
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Maker 23 (Arbeitsgemeinschaft fur Heereshedarf darf In der Graveur-u. Ziseleurinnung)
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Here's a viewing of most of my EKII collection. Almost all are with their respective paper envelope.
S&L (no packet)
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Fellows,
16 members looked at the cross and no one has an opinion?
Is the cross / case legit?
William
William
I think as the pictures are a bit blurred maybe members don't want to jump in... I don't collect the KvK series myself but I have had a few in my early days and from memory I would say the set-up of yours looks like a Steinhauer & L?ck piece and therefore should be marked '4'. Can you check for sure on the marking?
Another point on the cross is the grey area around the hinge. Again, the picture is not clear enough to see but is this a repair or just tarnishing?
From collecting cased Iron Cross 1st class, I have no issues with the case.
Rich
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Paul
Welcome to GMIC! I hope your questions get answered here to your satisfaction. It would be great to see more of your collection when you have the time to post it.
Regards
Rich
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Richard,we need to talk
Seriously,when I remember the WAF rarity stats I always had the feeling that a few things have to be requested. First we should separate the known ring stampings from the paper bags! Maybe we could list the makers with the rings? For example-I've never seen an "86" stamp in a ribbon ring-all as "86" introduced ones have tourned out as "98" Souvals.On the other hand a few things are missing(for example the 136 micro stamp).
Micha
Micha
Well that is one problem as I have no idea which were from ring markings and which were from packets. Of course, there was a certain amount of trust involved that those adding information where doing so correctly and honestly. We could go back through the old thread and separate them though.
Rich
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Gawd, I love that photo everytime I see it. Just imagine how many EKII's there are there...
From memory... this is from a museum in Russia? Anyone remember where?
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Here's a list that I was compiling. This is from either a marked ring or packet but does not list the equivalent LDO number.
As you can see there are many confirmed makers and may be even more as yet undiscovered.
Rich
1 Deschler &Sohn Munchen2 C.E. Juncker Berlin3 Wilheim Deumer Ludenscheld4 Steinhauer & Luck Ludenscheld5 Hermann Wernstein Jena-Lobstedt6 Fritz Zimmermann Stuttgart7 Paul Meybauer Berlin8 Ferdinand Hoffstadter Bonn a. Rhein9 Liefergsmeinschaft Scmuckhandwerker Pforzheim10 Foerster & Barth Pforzheim11 Grossmann & Co. Wien12 Frank & Reif Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen13 Gustav Brehmer Markneukirchen/Sa14 L. Chr. Lauer Nurnberg-W15 Friedrich Orth Wien16 Alols Rettenmaler Scwablsch-Gmund19 E. Ferd Weidmann Frankfurt/Main20 C.F. Zimmermann Pforzheim21 Gebr. Godet & Co. Berlin22 Boerger & Co. Berlin23 Arbeitsgemeinschaft fur Heereshedarf darf In der Graveur-u. Ziseleurinnung24 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plaket-ten-hersteller25 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-Gold-und Silberschemiede-Innungen26 B. H. Mayer's Kunst-prageanstalt Pforzheim27 Anton Schenkl's Nachf. Wien33 Friedrich Linden Ludenscheld39 Rudolf Berge Gablonz a.d.N.40 Berg & Nolte Ludenscheld44 Jakob Bengel Idar/Oberdonau49 Josef Feix Sohne Gablonz a.d.N.50 Karl Gschiermeister Wien52 Gottlieb & Wagner Ldar/Oberstein55 J.E. Hammer & Sohne Geringswalde56 Robert Hauschild Pforzheim57 Karl Hensler Pforzheim60 Katz & Deyhle Pforzheim65 Klein & Quenzer A.G. Idar/Oberstein66 Freidrich Keller Oberstein70 Lind & Meyrer Oberstein a.d.N.75 (Unknown)76 Ernst L. Muller Pforzheim77 Bayer. Hauptmunzamt Munchen85 Julius Pletsch Gablonz/N.86 Paulmann & Crone Ludenscheid92 Josef Rucker & Sohn Gablonz a.d.N.93 Richard Simm & Sohne Gablonz a.d.N.98 Rudolf Souval Wien100 Rudolf Wachtler & Lange Mittweida106 Bruder Schneider A.G. Wien107 Carl Wild Hamburg109 Walter & Hentein Gablonz a.d.N.113 Hermann Aurich Dresden114 Ludwig Bertsch Karlsruhe117 Hugo Lang Wiesenthal a.N.120 Franz Petzl Wien122 JJ. Stahl Strassburg123 Beck, Hassinger & Co. Strassburg125 Eugen Gauss Pforzheim126 Eduard Hahn Oberstein/Nahe127 Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim128 S. Jablonski G.m.b.H. Posen131 Heinrich Wander Gablonz132 Franz Reischauer Oberstein133 (Unknown)137 J.H. Werner Berlin138 Julius Maurer Oberstein140 Schauerte & Hohfeld Ludenscheid142 A.D. Schwerdt Stuttgart0 -
Wow! Very nice P/O. I have not seen marked with the small 'A' before. My pilot version only has the raised large 'A'.
Rich
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Nothing in this hobby is safe. Everything is faked and even the cheapest, most common pieces have been reproduced.
I think the key is to find a collecting buddy who has experience is your chosen field. Joining here was your best move...we are your collecting buddy. I think learning the originals is important and also seeing examples of reproductions and comparing will help you to recognise good from bad. Beware, there are soome very, very good reproductions of the EK2... 3-piece, magnetic cores, frosted ribbing and polished frames just liek the originals. These came out in the 1980's but carried incorrect markings on the ring - 333. No such numbering code existed in the Third Reich but the cross itself was almost perfect. These, I believe, are attributed to a modern faker by the name of Floch.
You should go through the Iron Cross forum thread by thread and familiarise yourself with what are originals. If you can, go to shows and handle originals but go with someone who can help you. Also remember, while alot of fakes are one piece castings, there do also exist originals which are one piece too. Confusing, huh!?
Rich
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Thanks, guys!
Rich
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Personally it hasn't affected me. You would think there should be advantage for me with strong GBP but I hardly ever buy from the US as there's the customs charges, etc to add in so the advantage gets wiped out.
Rich
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Dave
That's a really nice bar. I would not have though a 4 piece bar could be identifed with such ease! Incredible!!
Rich
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Marked L59 to the centre and a dot to the underneath of the pin.
Rich
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Just like to share with you another new addition and another first...this nice L59. It's a bit of a sleeper. Underneath the tarnish it looks to be really nice condition. You can see that the core retains it's flat black finish with a few rubbed areas.
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Here's my L/13 and also shows mis-alignment to the frame. I just never realised it was common the L/13 as my early Meybauer is fine.
Rich
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Rick
I often wonder how many hours are required to identify such a bar... Did you spend 2 months getting to the root of this one?
Rich
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Steve
You are killing me now!
I wouldn't be too worried about the missing plate... these are so hard to find in any state! Still missing from my collection.
Rich
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nice Steve!
- funny that Meybauer never corrected that offset frame on their L/13's
Hardy
I was thinking this was off-set just like my L/13 marked example. I didn't realise this was common for these and mine was a one-off!
Rich
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Greg
Judging by the core it looks a one-piece type?
Rich
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Steve,
Somehow I missed this one...
Another very nice example of KAG and one I have not yet added to my collection. One day though...
Rich
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Super collection! What I like most about the 1914 EK2 is that they are still affordable and have so many variations.
Cheers
Rich
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Very nice pair Greg. Any shots of the back to show the pin set-up and marking?
Rich
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Very nice, Steve!
Rich
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My EKII Collection
in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross
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Maker 25 (Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-Gold-und Silberschemiede-Innungen)