Peter1975

...thanks everyone...

I keep hunting!

/peter

Very nice! How long have you been collecting?

Rich

....thanks...

I started to collect third reich 3-4yrs ago. The items on the pictures took about two years.

/Peter

Dimensions

45,2 grams,

62,68mm from top to bottom

62,69 from left to right

/Peter

Peter

From what I can see, it looks fine. These are well faked so it would be useful for you to provide dimensions. The movement of the swastika is typical from this maker.

Here's a quick pic of mine (I'll see if I can find a pic of the reverse).

Rich

Thanks!

I have asked for dimension and hopefully I?ll have it during the day!

/Peter

another pic. on the mm!

No comment at all?

/peter

case backside

case

case

another angle

"1941"

mm 134

backside

I?ve been offered this Dkig with case.

It?s makermarked mm134.

I think it?s looks good...What does the expertise say about it?

The svastika is not fully fastened...It can "move" about 0,5mm.

/Peter

Peter,

The alignment of the leaf with the edge of the arm was probably a bad example to use as its a matter of degree - it doesn't align exactly and a lot will depend, with photos, if the shot was taken exactly perpendicular.it just that many fakes have the tip of the leaf far further around the wreath in relation to the edge of the arm, but photos can be very deceiving in this respect, the latest one you posted looks almost in line with the edge.

The piece offered by Helmut Weitze is a good original one.

Far more telling is the shape of the leaves themselves. Compare these three images of 100% original Deschler pieces, one of them a rare example of an RK in Gold. Look at the points on the leaves compared with the one you posted. The tip of the leaf on originals is flattened,(this isn't anything to do with wear, its a die characteristic common to all originals) on the one you posted it is fully rounded. The lowest point on the leaf on originals is distinctly pointed - again rounded on yours.

The devil is in the detail, and although at first glance the one you posted looks quite nice there are many small detail differences when compared with originals. It's not one I'd want to own.

ok...many thanks mr Williamson!

I?ve notified the owner and he in turn will return the cross to the fisrt seller!

This was not easy for a happy amateur like me!

Thanks again!

/peter

better picture of front

...and with a line...

Not a good sign on this one either?!

First impressions are that it looks quite good but on closer inspection there are a couple of things that look odd - certainly different to known originals I have on file.

Firstly, if you draw an imaginary line along the edge of the arm of a Deschler cross, it should just touch the top of the oakleaf as shown here.

I see what you mean! If you take a look at Weitze?s cross (see below). That got the same line or do I see wrong?

/Peter

mmd

svastika

another one

Been offered a RK des kvk m/s.

More pictures to come but what can you guys tell me so far!?

Makermarked 1/900

Thanks!

...Gordon...thanks!

You said "heavily faked"...So good made that it?s nearly impossible to see the differences between good ones and bad ones?

/peter

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Looking for a Rk des kvk

Here?s my small collection so far!

Ek1 mm100 w/case

Ek2 mm100

Ek2 schinkel

Kvk1 mm15 w sword/case

Kvk1 mm15 w/o sword w/case

Kvk2 mm100

Kvk2 unmark

kvk2 w/o sword mm1

Ostfront mm100

Anschluss w/prague

SS long service 8yrs Deschler

SS long service 4yrs Deschler

/peter

...just wonder what a good price would be on a Rk des kvk (with ribbon) in a very nice condition?

Any differences between with or without swords?

There seems to differ a lot between dealers and geographic areas.

Regards Peter

If you mean the completely unmarked type which are just silvered zink, they are not exactly common, but not really desirable either. I know a lot of people don't trust these.

Thanks!

I meant these...so you mean that no unmarked crosses has silvercontent like the 900-marked crosses?

If I?m right there are RK with silver and no "800"-marking...but no RKkvk?

Just wondering!

/Peter