Rocky

A question has been posed by some members regarding medal bars. Various reverse configurations have been seen. Some with the ribbons attached to the mount or an obverse hook and the medals are sewn to the ribbon or hook. Some of these have exposed metal and others are finished off with a fabric backing. The variation in question ( photo below ) has the medals suspended from metal hooks to allow the attachment. "]The Question: Is the medal bar with exposed metal hooks for suspending the medals considered a correct method being both authentic and acceptable, or are they considered non - authentic or "put togetehers." Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank You

Steve,

The mottled paint on this EK is outstanding, it adds a lot of character. Overall a super nice group of EK's and thanks for sharing. Rocky

Here's the rear of the square punch marked cross. I like the rear detail here.

Micha, Stunning EK I, first combination that I have seen exactly like that but a real keeper in super condition. I would assume it was manufactured by one of the "better maker."

Very good and true points all! I do not know what some folks do for a living that enables them to channel $10,000.00 into a chained SS Dagger, or $3,500.00 - $ 7,500.00 into an SS Honor Ring. Even if you had unlimited resources I would think these are very volitile "investments." Folks often forget why they collect and they become followers. IMHO spending money like this on a collectibles from the TR could ensure that your dreams change from owning the items to how the H_ _L can I ever sell this stuff so I can retire.

This forum has a small amount of TR Militaria compared to most, as a result you can see what beauty lives on in almost any countrys militaria. You will sleep good at night and retire and collect the rest of your life.

Ricardo, Fine looking collection! I have not seen Brazilian orders and medals before. They are beautiful and enamelled, I like all medals and orders that are enamelled. Thanks for sharing.

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The other color post cards above are all real fine This is the only one I have.

I cant believe that I missed out on that one...

I can't believe I let it go. (2) Beautiful Early SA Daggers were offered to me at a good price, something had to go.

VonLuger,

First I have ever seen and a very nice variation. Now we will all begin to try to find one.

Avitas, Looks like a Bronze grade and it also looks good. I have seen several "sets" like this where the badges owner purchased the stickpin post war, no swastika. Both are valid makers. One other thought is the stickpin was pre 1937 when the DRL had no swastika. I hope this helps.

Rocky

Thanks for the translation Christian.

Regards Rocky

Dan, thank you for the information on the country of origin, Great Dane, the letter is an "L" -- thank yo u both.

Rocky

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German Neck Award With Ribbon Marked In Gold "V. Wien Im Ringen 1907 ( Junior ??? 1907 1st Prize Gymnastics ) ( Rings ). To add a bit of perspective to the size of the Award the Red & White Enamel Cross is ~ 7.0 cm across. From the eagles upper wing to the bottom of the cross the award measures ~ 15.5 cm. Beautiful hand engraved reverse. Enjoy.

Rocky

Jan,

WOW! now that is a collection to be proud of. Thanks for sharing.

Simply Outstanding & A Great Find

The Signum Laudis medals came in, ultimately, 3 grades: bronze (actually gilt), silver, and a giant super-sized I've never seen, ever. The designs were changed between the two wartime Emperors, so you have either side of 1917 for when they were awarded.

The bronze class was the routine bottom of wartime awards for officers-- about the same as a German WW2 KVK2X. It's harder to approximate the other Austrian awards, but a silver SL was next up the ladder, then the Military Merit Cross (which this guy skipped right over) and then the various Orders.

During the war, the Franz Joseph Order seems primarily to have gone to medical officers, and next most frequently to staff types. I don't know if there are actual numbers awarded statistics out there, but I'd say that FAR fewer Franz Josephs on war ribbon show up than the "German Cross in Gold" equivalent Order of the Iron Crown.

I base my best estimate on who and what he was on the Franz Joseph and NOT the 1914 Red Cross Decoration with war-related services wreath, because THAT was given out to all sorts of strange people for very weird and often inexplicable reasons.

MAYBE this guy was in the 1930s Austrian Red Cross, and was in that sort of organization for the Sudeten and Prague awards. But I'd guess he was more likely on the medical staff of some uniformed Nazi Party organization.

Thank you all for the information.

Rick, Thank You. I find medal bars of all types to be interesting. Now I enjoy this one allot more.

I find the Austrian medal bars to be far more interesting than just the ribbon bar. As you can see the Austrians had some nice looking medals but didn't spent a lot of time or money designing multicolored ribbons to go with the awards. Very nice if you like red and white stripes. If not you're out of luck.

Bob, Red and white strips are nice, especially when the have swords and a couple medals hanging from them. I agree that the Austrian awards are very nice in deed. I love the detail, quality and enamel.

Usually called the "Signum Laudis."

This is an EXTREMELY bar to a junior medical officer, not commissioned in 1908, probably a Stabsarzt in WW1. A Franz Joseph Order on War Ribbon with Xs was quite a deal for somebody at that level.

The Sudeten and Prague bar suggest he was some sort of Nazi functionary then-- not a civil servant or he'd have been given the Third Reich Faithful Service Cross.

If only this one could speak his name!

Rick,

Thank you as well. I am amazed at what you could tell about the medal bar. A fellow collector and I were wondering what or why he would have been awarded the Sudenten with Prague. He did suggest that the original owner was connected to the NSDAP some way but we could not figure it out. I guess this will be a question without an answer.

Thank You

I am eager to hear what Kev has to say about this one. It was his collection that made me decide to post one of mine.

JB,

Thank you. Does that mean the medal next to is is the same medal in a lower bronze grade?

Thank You

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Gentlemen, I would like to show off one of my finest medal bars. Also can someone please identify the second medal on the left side? Thanking you in advance.

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Reverse -- same problem with the thread attachment

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A tiny spange of questional authenticity. ( Tthe thread that holds the spange to the ribbon glows under the black light ).

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