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Hmmmmm ...
"Fake" in the context of these badges would have to mean "non period". On the basis that everybody and their uncle would have cashed in on the Olympics, the controls associated with the manufacture of souvenirs would, I imagine, have been a lot less rigorous than say for the Reichszeugmeisterei (RZM) and NSDAP items.
I'm not going to be as bold as to say that it's categorically not a fake (i.e. a later creation), however it presses most buttons for me.
PS While I can understand why the use of the swastika on trinkets and souvenirs would have been discouraged by the Olympic committee, I imagine the Nazi hierarchy took a diometrically opposite view given the politics behind staging the Olympics in Germany at that time.
Hi Jock,
Thanks for that, yes I like it too.
Best wishes,
Mike.
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Hello,
I also have had this same badge at least for twenty odd years but I do believe I have read on one of the forums that these badges and a few of the other olympic badges, in example the judges badges are fantasy items. I also remember reading somewhere that the use of the swastica on many olympic items was pretty much discouraged by the olympic committee because of all the foreigners who would be attending. These badges do seem to be of fairly high quality but as I mentioned I do believe the preponderance of thought on these is that they are fakes. They seem to be all over the place at militaria shows along with the HJ nesselwang & 50 year deutsche jaeger badges which also are considered bogus. I have enclosed a few pictures of a couple I bought quite a few years ago. I have also included a link to a site called "the regalia specialist" which sells some of these "olympic" badges. I'm sure that I have seen the exact badge shown at other repro dealer sites but as of this moment I can't find it. I will continue looking and try to post a link when I do find them. Here is the link to the site I mentioned: http://www.regaliaspecialist.com/search.php Here is also a link to the official olympics website for those interested: http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/past/index...2&OLGY=1936
regards,
Duzig(Bill)
Hi Bill
Thank you for the information, like you say they seem of high quality I will have a look at the sites you mention.
Best wishes
Mike
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Hi Mike
You are not alone! Here's a (poorly scanned!) picture of my one.
As above, it's a commemorative youth badge from the Berlin Olympics, manufactured by CTD (Christian Theodore Dicke) who made other Third Reich items such as buckles.
JM
Hi Jock
Many thanks for the reply and the scan, at last I have seen another one!
Best wishes
Mike
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Mike,
I just noticed this comment made on another forum and was wondering if it could have a possible link to your piece?
"This Piece is the same type of copy that "Flatken Militaria" (Brian Coster) tries to sell as original with Zimmerman "20" marks, which also comes with fake papers from Thomas Hoff!"
Sorry to see that your RK is not what you thought. People that sell these as genuine should be hung out to dry.
Mike
Hi Mike,
You hit the nail on the head, fake papers and all.
Has anyone here heard of Thomas Hoff (Historisches Militaria) who the papers are from.
Best wishes,
Mike.
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I would highly recommend buying and reading Dietrich's book. Consider it a relatively inexpensive, extensive, and thorough education into the field of knowing about Rk's. In fact, this particular cross is in his book under 'Fakes'.
Hi ekhunter,
Many thanks for the advice, will have a look.
Best wishes,
Mike.
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Yes absolutely fake, no comparison at all to a genuine Zimmermann RK.
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your reply, yes I was a novice back then, I trusted the dealer and got caught.
It would be nice to name and shame as I have heard bad reports about him recently,
but I suppose that would bring legal action against me, cest la vie!
Best wishes,
Mike.
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Yes, 20 is C.F. Zimmermann, but this particular cross is generally accepted to be a known fake. Sorry!
HI ekhunter,
Thank you for your reply, it is not nice to know what you have is not what it should be but i like to know what is right or wrong, that is why I asked all you experts.
Many thanks
Best wishes
Mike
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I'm no expert but Maker Mark 20, C F Zimmermann Pforzheim, I believe that they were one of the official makers, But I'm sure I'll get shot down.
regards
Alex
Hi Alex
Thanks for the replies and the information, I look forward to hearing what all you learned guys think.
Best wishes
Mike
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Hi Guys,
I acquired this cross many years ago but have no idea if it is good or bad.
Your expert advice would be most welcome.
Mike.
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Mike,
Welcome to the GMIC and don't worry about making mistakes. I have been collecting militaria for almost 40 years and I make mistakes all of the time. The only way not to make mistakes is to not participate. There are a lot of very knowledgable and helpful people on the GMIC. I look forward to your participation and posts.
Regards,
Gordon
Hi Gordon,
Thanks for the welcome.
It is frightening the amount of good fakes around today, when I put my bits together years ago prices were a lot cheaper so if one made a mistake it didn't hurt so much. My collecting is on hold for now as I am renovating our property, but if something turns up at the right price I will certainly ask you guys what you think before I buy.
Best wishes,
Mike.
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Mike,
I am probably going to say the obvious here but this appears to be a commemorative pin for the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. Specifically to celebrate world youth. The GTD on the back would be the initials of the manufacturer. There is no patent protection on the back (DRGM) nor any sign that is was produced for the National Socialist Party. Sorry that I could not be of more help but every olympics generates an almost endless stream of memorabilia. In a short while tracing their origins, and there have been some threads on the Wehrmacht Awards Forum which have attempted to do that for some 1936 olympic items, without a lot of success.
Regards,
Gordon
Hi Gordon,
Many thanks for your reply, as I said I picked this up a long time ago and have never seen a picture of it anywhere, your advice is much appreciated. I have some other German medals, mainly Iron Crosses from years ago which I will post in the relevant section for all your expert advice. This is an excellent forum, the first I have ever joined and this was my first post so I hope I got everything correct. I hope as I go along if I make any mistakes that you gentlemen will put me right.
Thanks again,
Mike.
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Hi Guys,
Could anyone please identify this badge. I picked it up many years ago with other bits and pieces but cannot find reference to it anywhere. I would much appreciate your experienced help as to whether it is genuine or not and what it may be worth. As this is my first post I hope I am in the right place and that the scans are okay. Many thanks, Mike.
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German Olympic Badge
in Germany: Third Reich: Organisational Membership Badges & Tinnies
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Hi Bill,
Thank you for all the information, it certainly is a minefield out there with all the 3rd Reich stuff.
Best wishes,
Mike.