Steen Ammentorp

Hi Graham,

You can find some information on him Michael Geoffry Arton Wright in the Navy list digitised by the National Library of Scotland here: https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/93506066

Hi,

Could it be Brigadier Rupert Edmund Hobday https://generals.dk/general/Hobday/Rupert_Edmund/Great_Britain.html

Hi,

The two volumes of "Dictionaire des Généraux et Amiraux Français de la Grande Guerre (1914-1918)" by Gérard Géhin should do the trick, but see my comments here: http://www.librarything.com/work/6617632/reviews/37249829

Nothing to do with this topic but Emperor Franz-Josef was also a Marshall of the Russian Imperial Army. Is pair of Marshall shoulder boards can be seen in the superb Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Wien besides almost all his decorations.

Cheers

Bill

Actually I am a bit puzzle by this. Does anyone have a date for him becomming a Field Marshal in the Russian Army. I have been going through almost all the issues of the "список генералам по старшинству" (List of generals seniority) between 1848 and 1914. He is not listed in any of them, while a large number of Royalties and other dignitaries from other nations is - including others from AH holding honorary ranks.

Hi,

He was issued with the Indian Mutiny Medal.

Source: Ancestry.com. UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949 [database on-line] and http://www.dnw.co.uk/medals/resources/medalrolls/indianmutiny/recipient.lasso?id=18361

His obituary in the British Medical Journal doesn't mention any. See http://www.bmj.com/content/1/2726/693.1.full.pdf?sid=1601b33d-d930-4188-b9d6-f0f192c564bb

Though I can't say for sure but after a bit of searching in the London Gazette I have come with this, which I think, is the officer in question. Having been a War Substantive Lieutenant-Colonel it is likely that he was a Temporary Colonel and perhaps an Acting Brigadier.

SUPPLEMENTARY RESERVE OF OFFICERS.

ROYAL ENGINEERS.

Transportation—The undermentioned to be Lts.

25th Sept. 1938:—

Arthur Cecil CLARKE.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/34558/pages/6198

CORPS OF ROYAL ENGINEERS.

Transportation.

The undermentioned to be Lt.-Cols.:—

Lt. (War Subs. Lt.-Col.) A. C. CLARKE (77405),

26th Nov. 1948, with seniority 8th June 1944.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/38576/supplements/1645

CORPS OF ROYAL ENGINEERS.

Transportation Section.

Lt.-Col. A. C. CLARKE (77405) from Supp. Res. of

Offrs., to be Lt.-Col., 30th Nov. 1950, retaining his

present seniority and is granted the hon. rank of Col.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/39099/supplements/6440

The QUEEN has been graciously pleased to confer

the award of the Army Emergency Reserve Decoration

upon .the following officers:—

CORPS OF ROYAL ENGINEERS.

Lt.-Col. (Hon. Col.) A. C. CLARKE (77405).

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/40665/supplements/7303

REGULAR ARMY RESERVE OF OFFICERS.

Lt.-Col. (Hon. Col.) A. C. CLARKE, E.R.D.

(77405), 'having exceeded the age limit of liability

to recall, relinquishes his conamn., 7th' Mar. 1956,

retaining the hort. rank of Col.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/40724/supplements/1360

The QUEEN has been graciously pleased to

confer the award of the 1st Clasp to the Army

Emergency Reserve Decoration upon the following

officers:—

CORPS OF ROYAL ENGINEERS.

Lt.-Col. (Hon. Col.) A. C. CLARKE, E.R.D. (77405)

Retired

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/40817/supplements/3789

Although not the same date of death as given by Andy the colonel in question must be Julius Gregorovius, brother of the more famous historian Ferdinand Gregorovius. Julius was born 19th Aug. 1819 at Tapiau and died 18th Jul. 1891 in Planegg at Munich. See: http://www.neidenburg.de/ndbger.htm

An idea were perhaps to search for information about his brother on whom severeal books/biographies has been written. Ferdinand himself mentions Julius several times in his journal from Italy: http://www.archive.org/details/romanjournalsoff00gregiala Some of this material may contain information or pictures of Julius.

Another source may be Julius' own book from 1883 http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:OCLC56852058&id=6-kMHQAACAAJ

When researching the careers of British officers the Internet archive offers a wealth of information!

In addition to the above mentioned Army lists it now holds the missing blanks

Hart's Annual Army List (New Army List)

1839 http://www.archive.org/details/newarmylistexhib1839hart

1842 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1842lond

1843 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1843lond

1851 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1851lond

1854 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1854hart

1861 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1861hart

1866 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1866hart

1867 http://www.archive.org/stream/newannualarmylis1867hart

1868 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1868harttanyatest

1869 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1869hart

1870 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1870hart

1872 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1872hart

1873 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1873hart

1874 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1874hart

1875 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1875hart

1876 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1876hart

1881 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1881lond

1883 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1883lond

1885 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1885lond

1886 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1886lond

1896 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1896lond

1897 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1897lond

1898 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1898lond

1899 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1899lond

1900 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1900lond

1901 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmylis1901lond

1903 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmyl1903lond

1904 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmyl1904hart

Before Hart we have these sources:

The army lists of the Roundheads and Cavaliers : containing the names of the officers in the royal and parliamentary armies of 1642 (1874)

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924027954670

English army lists and commission registers, 1661-1714

http://www.archive.org/details/englisharmylists01dalt Vol I

http://www.archive.org/details/englisharmylists02dalt Vol II

http://www.archive.org/details/englisharmylists03dalt Vol III

http://www.archive.org/details/englisharmylists04dalt Vol IV

http://www.archive.org/details/englisharmylists05dalt Vol V

http://www.archive.org/details/englisharmylists06dalt Vol VI

The Royal military calendar, or Army service and commission book. Containing the services and progress of promotion of the generals, lieutenant-generals, major-generals, colonels, lieutenant-colonels, and majors of the army, according to seniority: with details of the principal military events of the last century (1820)

http://www.archive.org/details/royalmilitaryca07goog Vol I

http://www.archive.org/details/royalmilitaryca02goog Vol II

http://www.archive.org/stream/royalmilitaryca08goog Vol III

http://www.archive.org/details/royalmilitaryca00goog Vol IV

http://www.archive.org/details/royalmilitaryca03goog Vol V

and should they fail then we have a number of other interesting sources

A List of the general and field-officers, as they rank in the army : of the officers in the several regiments of Horse, Dragoons, and Foot, on the British and Irish establishments ; (to which is now added, an alphabetical index) ; the Royal Regiment of Artillery, Irish Artillery, Engineers, independent companies, and Marines on full and half pay ; with the dates of their commissions, as they rank in each Corps and in the army ; the Governors, Lieutenant-Governors, &c. of His Majesty's garrisons at home and abroad, with their allowances ; all the officers on half-pay ; and a succession of colonels ; the whole complete to 1767 (1767)

http://www.archive.org/details/listofgeneralfie1767grea

A List of the general and field officers, as they rank in the army : of the officers in the several regiments of horse, dragoons, and foot, on the British and Irish establishments ; (to which is now added an alphabetical index) ; the Royal Regiment of Artillery, and the Corps of Engineers, the Irish Artillery and Engineers, and the Marines on full and half pay ; with the dates of their commissions, as they rank in each Corps and in the army ; the governors, lieutenant governors, &c. of his Majesty's garrisons at home and abroad, with their allowances ; all the officers on half pay ; and a succession of colonels ; with the uniforms to each regiment, from the new order for clothing, &c (1778)

http://www.archive.org/details/listofgeneralfie00grea

British officers serving in America. 1754-1774. : compiled from the "army lists"

http://www.archive.org/details/britishofficerss00ford

British officers serving in the American revolution, 1774-1783

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924104081124

Officers of the British forces in Canada during the war of 1812-15

http://www.archive.org/details/officersbritish00instgoog

The Waterloo roll call. With biographical notes and anecdotes (1904)

http://www.archive.org/details/waterloorollcall00daltuoft

The "last post" : a roll of all officers (naval, military or colonial) who gave their lives for their queen, king and country, in the South African War, 1899-1902

http://www.archive.org/details/lastpostrollofal00doonrich

And more specific lists

Roll of commisssioned officers in the Medical service of the British army, who served on full pay within the period between the accession of George II and the formation of the Royal army medical corps, 20 June 1727 to 23 June 1898, with an introduction showing the historical evolution of the corps (1917)

http://www.archive.org/details/rollofcommisssio00johnuoft

A List of the officers of the Army : (with an alphabetical index;) of the officers of the Royal Artillery, the engineers, the Marine Forces, and of the officers on half-pay ; and a succession of colonels (1783)

http://www.archive.org/details/listofofficersof00ingrea

Biographical notices of officers of the Royal (Bengal) engineers

http://www.archive.org/details/biographicalnoti00thaciala

An alphabetical list of the officers of the rifle brigade, from 1800 to 1850 (1851)

http://www.archive.org/details/alphabeticallist00smitrich

A regimental chronicle and list of officers of the 60th, or the King's Royal Rifle Corps, formerly the 62nd, or the Royal American Regiment of Foot (1879)

http://www.archive.org/details/aregimentalchro00wallgoog

Royal Navy

Similar to the army then the Internet Archives offers a wealth of information on the officers of the RN.

The Navy List

1848 http://www.archive.org/details/navylist08admigoog

1856 http://www.archive.org/details/navylist10admigoog

1865 http://www.archive.org/details/navylist06admigoog

1875 http://www.archive.org/details/navylist00unkngoog

1884 http://www.archive.org/details/navylist12admigoog

1885 http://www.archive.org/details/navylist15admigoog

Biographia navalis; or, Impartial memoirs of the lives and characters of officers of the navy of Great Britain, from the year 1660 to the present time; drawn from the most authentic sources, and disposed in a chronological arrangement (1794)

http://www.archive.org/details/biographianaval01chargoog

A list of the flag officers and other commissioned officers of His Majesty's fleet; with the dates of their respective commissions (1831)

http://www.archive.org/details/listofflagoffice00greaiala

A naval biographical dictionary: comprising the life and services of every living officer in Her Majesty's navy, from the rank of admiral of the fleet to that of lieutenant, inclusive (1849)

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924027921372

Royal naval biography : or Memoirs of the services of all the flag-officers, superannuated rear-admirals, retired-captains, post-captains, and commanders, whose names appeared on the Admiralty list of sea officers at the commencement of the year 1823, or who have since been promoted; illustrated by a series of historical and explanatory notes. With copious addenda (1827)

http://www.archive.org/details/royalnavalbiopt101marsuoft Vol I

http://www.archive.org/details/royalnavalbiosupp01marsuoft Vol I supl.

http://www.archive.org/details/royalnavalbiogr02mars Vol II

http://www.archive.org/details/royalnavalbiogra03marsuoft Vol III

http://www.archive.org/details/royalnavalbiogra04marsuoft Vol IV

Naval history of Great Britain, including the history and lives of the British admirals (1813)

http://www.archive.org/details/navalhistoryofgr01campiala Vol I

http://www.archive.org/details/navalhistoryofgr02campiala Vol II

http://www.archive.org/details/navalhistoryofgr03campiala Vol III

http://www.archive.org/details/navalhistoryofgr04campiala Vol IV

http://www.archive.org/details/navalhistoryofgr05campiala Vol V

http://www.archive.org/details/navalhistoryofgr06campiala Vol VI

http://www.archive.org/details/navalhistoryofgr07campiala Vol VII

http://www.archive.org/details/navalhistoryofgr08campiala Vol VIII

Lives of the British admirals, and naval history of Great Britain : from the time of Cæsar to the Chinese war of 1841

http://www.archive.org/details/livesofbritishad00campuoft

Medals of the British navy and how they were won : with a list of those officers, who for their gallant conduct were granted honorary swords and plate by the Committee of the Patriotic Fund (1895)

http://www.archive.org/details/medalsofbritishn00longrich

I can only say enjoy :speechless:

More:

The Times, Wednesday, May 29, 1935

Naval Appointments

Payr. Cdrs.: - B.A. Stinton to Vindictive (June 4)

The Times, Friday, Aug 09, 1935

Naval Appointments

Retirements

Payr. Cdrs.- E.H. Stern and B.A. Stinton placed on the Retd. List. with rank of Payr. Capt. (Aug. 8 and 10 respectively).

The Times, Tuesday, Aug 13, 1935

The Services Royal Navy

Paymaster Captain Stinton

Paymaster Commander B.A. Stinton has been placed on the retired list from August 10, with the rank of paymaster captain. He has had 32 years' service, having entered as an assistant clerk on July 15, 1903, on board H.M.S. SUTLEY, Captain Paul Bush, in the Channel Fleet. He served afloat throughout the War in the ST. GEORGE, depot-ship for destroyers, and the cruisers ASTRAEA and GALATEA. Sinse his promotion to paymaster commander in 1924 he has been accountant officer in the GREENWICH, destroyer depot-ship in the Mediterranean, the cruiser CAMBRIAN, and the battleship SOVEREIGN and VALIANT. His last appointment was accountant officer in the CARDIFF, parent ship of the Reserve Fleet at the Nore.

I hope you find it useful

More:

The Times, Wednesday, Nov 21, 1928

Naval, Military, And Air Force

CAMBRIAN'S NEW COMMISSION

Among the changes to take place for the new commission, Paymaster Commander B. A. Stinton, who joined on August 2, 1926 will be suceed as accountant officer by Paymaster Commander W.G.E. Enright, O.B.E. from the battle-cruiser HOOD.

The Times, Monday, Mar 12, 1934

Naval Appointments

Payr. Cdrs.: ... B.A. Stinton to Cardiff (April 10) ...

More:

The Times, Tuesday, Feb 27, 1912

Naval And Military Intelligence

Assistant Paymaster - B.A. Stinton to the PEMBROOKE, for R.N. Barracks, Division II, to date Feb. 24.

A search for him in the digital archive of The Times gives a rather detailed view of his career. I've quote all the passages where he is mentioned.

The Times, Friday, Jun 26, 1903

Naval & Military Intelligence

Assistant Clekships in the Royal Navy.

The following are declared by the Civil Service Commissioners to have obtained the first 20 places at the competitve examination hed on June 2 and the following days for assistant clerkship in the Royal Navy. Name ... B.A. Stinton...

The Times, Saturday, Apr 09, 1904

Naval & Military Intelligence

Assistant Clerk - B.A. Stinton to the ENDYMION, to date April 19.

The Times, Monday, Nov 28, 1904

Naval & Military Intelligence

Clerk - B.A. Stinton to the CUMBERLAND, to date December 1.

The Times, Monday, Sep 10, 1906

Naval And Military Intelligence

Clerks B.A. Stinton and W.S.D. Rae have been promototed to the rank of Assistant Paymaster, to date September 1 and 4 respectively.

The Times, Thursday, Oct 21, 1909

Naval And Military Intelligence

Assistant Paymaster - B.A. Stinton to the NIOBE, to date October 30, and to the KENT on Recommissioning

Intrigued by this thread and those wonderful medals I was trying to find some information on our recipient I came across this notice in The Times, Wednesday, Oct. 27, 1875. Retyped here as it was barely readable.

We have to record the death of Lieut.-Col. George Frederick Paschel, formerly of the 70th Regiment, and one of the few remaining Peninsular and Waterloo officers. The deceased had attained his 78th year, died at Merton-house, Chiswick, on the 23rd inst. He entered the army as Ensign in 1812, and served in the Peninsula with the second Line battalion of the King's German Legion from 1813 to the end of the war in 1814, including the battles of Nivelle and Nive, the investment of Bayonne, and subsequent operations before that fortress. He served also the campaign of 1815, and was attached at Quartre Bras to Sir Henry Clinton on the 17th of June and at the Battle of Waterloo. He became a captain in 1826, major in 1841, and lieut.-col. in 1851, and had received the war medal with two claps, as also the Hanoverian war medal.

I am not sure whether everybody is familiar with the Internet Archive at www.archive.org

Besides being an archive of website it includes other media as well. This includes a wealth of information including the Hart's Annual Army list free for download. I have collected the available volumes here.

If this is the wrong place to post it ? please move it to the appropriate section.

Hart's Annual Army List (New Army List)

1840 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy27hartgoog

1841 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy21hartgoog

1844 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy23hartgoog

1845 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy00hartgoog

1846 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy01hartgoog

1847 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy22hartgoog

1848 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy20hartgoog

1849 http://www.archive.org/details/newannualarmyli00unkngoog

1850 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy24hartgoog

1852 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy07hartgoog

1853 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy25hartgoog

1855 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy26hartgoog

1856 http://www.archive.org/details/newarmylist00unkngoog

1859 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy05hartgoog

1860 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy06hartgoog

1862 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy16hartgoog

1863 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy03hartgoog

1864 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy18hartgoog

1865 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy19hartgoog

1868 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy15hartgoog

1871 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy02hartgoog

1877 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy08hartgoog

1878 http://www.archive.org/details/newarmylist01unkngoog

1880 http://www.archive.org/details/newarmylistmili00unkngoog

1882 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy14hartgoog

1884 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy10hartgoog

1887 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy29hartgoog

1889 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy13hartgoog

1890 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy11hartgoog

1891 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy09hartgoog

1892 http://www.archive.org/details/hartsannualarmy00unkngoog

1881 Guide: http://www.archive.org/details/cihm_04285

David,

A name or two would be helpful

Hi Chris,

I have asked a friend of mine to check the 1914 Russian seniority list and asked him a posible POW by that name. By 1914 there were there generals by the name of Sokolov:

Major-General Vladimir Ivanovich Sokolov, b. 1862

Major-General Klavdii Petrovich Sokolov, b. 1852

Major-General Sergei Petrovich Sokolov, b. 1858

However none of them appears to have become POWs.

V.I. Sokolov became a Lieutenant-General in 1917, later he joined the RKKA but was executed in 1919.

K.P. Sokolov was still in service in 1916, but he never saw front service

S.P. Sokolov could be a candidate as he commanded 2nd Brigade of 30th Infantry Division in 1914. It fought in East Prussia in 1914 near Gumbinnen. The 30th Infantry saw heavy losses. My friend has no information on his later career, but he does not appear on the 1916 seniority list. However apparently he emigrated after the Revolution and died in 1934.

Do you have any additional information what so ever?

Hi Roeland,

A search on him in Google Books get an result on him in "Listes g?n?rales d?anciennet? des officiers de l?arm?e active des armes et services, 1936" which has him attached to the 507 RCC. He was proberly succeed as commander by le Grande Charles himself in 1937.

Kind Regards

Steen Ammentorp

The Generals of World War II

Hi Roeland,

Are you referring to http://www.generals.dk/general/Guillot/Jea...ton/France.html

Though I find it a bit strange that he should later command a regiment.

Hi,

I think that the answer is founded in the fact that he was Flag Lieutenant (later Flag Commander) to the Board of the Admiralty, and thereby severing the First Lord of the Admiralty. So he would accompany his political master(s) around in Europe. See: http://members.cox.net/ghgraham/charlesthompson1895.html

V.V. Semashko is a bit interesting since he actually wasn't demoted as such. One could said that he is downfall started already in 1940, because when the rank of general was reintroduced in June 1940 he was only certified as a Major-General (4th June 1940) and not as a Lieutenant-General as one might have expected when holding the rank Komkor. I have been unable to make out why! But least now I got his position and rank just prior to June 1940. Thanks!

Semashko was arrested on the 10th April 1942 and released (conditionally) 21st December 1945. Apparently crimes his crimes were to have expressed reservations about the collective farm system, final Soviet victory and having blamed the 'leadership' (no names) for the early defeats and having favourably compared German weapons to those of the Red Army.

Rick ? are you able to read the name of the political officer? I will have to put him up as well.

Okay - got his full name William Leslie Dibben. Still interested in his court-martial.

Could anybody provide me with the full name of British Brigadier W.L. Dibben, M.C. commander of 144th Infantry Brigade October 1941 ? April 1944. He had previously commanded 2nd Battalion The Royal Warwickshire Regiment. Apparently he was dismissed from the Service following a court-martial in June 1944, and if anybody got information on that story I would also be interested.

It appears that this is one of Kempton's errors. After a suggestion from a member from AHF I took a closer look at Brigadier Eric Henry Blaker who I had as commander for the period, and a search in Google books I found reference to him as commander of 47th Indian Infantry Brigade. So the mystery is solved.

So I am sorry to have made you search in vain.

Chris Kempton in his: 'Loyalty & Honour : The Indian Army September 1939 ? August 1947' list a Brigadier E.H. Blacker, MC as Commander of 47th Indian Infantry Brigade between 1st November 1942 and March 1943. However I have been unable to identify this officer!

I have tried the following sources with no luck.

Who's Who 1897-1996

The Times Archives 1785-1985

The London Gazette (online) 1914 >

The Monthly Army List for July 1937

War Services of British and Indian Officers of the Indian Army 1941

Any suggestions on what to do next?