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Hey Glenn, Sorry for being ignorant... but what 'exactly' is a Sektionschef... i.e. what type of duties, assignments etc.... This is a whole new area for me and my references are about nill... Cheers and Thanks ! Mark

Hello all, I just added a uniform thread with a tunic that I believe is a Beamten .... http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7904 Cheers Mark

Back As I mentioned.. this tunic is EXACTLY like my other standard general's tunic.. other than the bullion tress......

Cuffs

Close up of collar

Hello All, As a side thread to the one I started earlier in the History section....... Here is a strange Austrian tunic... that I'm assuming is a Beamten ? The tunic is the standard style and patter as the Austrian general's.... except.. under close examination you will see that the tress is totally different than that of a standard general officer's. I have only found one obscure reference to this style tress and it is in a book called "Der K.u.K. Hofstaat 1858-1918 Album". There are two pictures of Beamten officers which have this style tress. The confusing part is that they are wearing 'rosettes' instead of stars for rank.. and this tunic is wearing stars. Any thoughts ????? Cheers Mark

Hey Glenn, Thanks... that info was great... and it does appear to be some what complicated....... I'm assuming that this is the same for German as well as Austrian ? Cheers Mark

Hey Rick, I wouldn't be so fast to call Pharmacists, Dentists, Attornys etc as flunkies. So far from the thread (from what I can make of it so far) is that they are (or could be) highly trained and specialized civilian personal who are then under contract (or drafted perhaps) into the military service. I don't think you would see a High School teacher (who was teaching High School) wear a military Beamten uniform. I could be wrong... but that is my take so far.... Cheers Mark

Hey guys, From this thread.. it looks like there are still some questions about it...... So.. would attorney's be considered beamten ? I.e. they are not in the command structure........ Would a beamten actually be IN the military service (i.e. go through the training ).. wear the uniform...... get the paycheck that all other military personel get.. jsut not be in the command structure... And would they were the uniform (other than distintive insignia) ? Cheers Mark

Hey Guys, Here is a quick question.... What exactly is a beamten ? I know that I usually see the word 'official'... or paymaster' when someone says beamten... but what exactly would constitute an 'official' (i.e. paymaster would be one type.. but what about others ?) Cheers Mark

Great photographs !!! Cheers Mark

Hey Mike, I also forgot to add..... I love the postcard you posted... what a great helmet pic ! The offer is still on the table if your ever up in the Orlando area ! Cheers Mark

Hey Mike......... Sorry about the auction...... but I think it was me that outbid you Ernst I is about the only guy that I'll spend the $$ on for good postcards and CDVs...... But hey.. since we are both in Florida.... you can come by and visit it anytime you want ! Thanks for the kind words guys...... this has been a project for some time and I'm glad to almost see it completed...... Question for you MEDALS and ORDERS guys.... even in the very first pic... he is wearing the Ernestine Grand cross badge (I guess due to him being 'royalty')... but would it have been awarded without swords.. and then perhaps later on in 1848 or 1870.. the swords were added..... And if so...... would he not really be able to wear both... with and without swords ????? Cheers Mark

The one thing that I am still looking for (in regards to pictures) is one of him actually wearing this parade tunic !!

The reason for my research.....

The final and last picture that I have of him.. that was taken the year of his death.. 1908.... this is also the first picture that I have of him wearing 3 long service medals.... Prussian, Sax-Altenburg and also Saxon ! (who needs to follow regs when your The DUKE ) It was from this postcard that iwas able to identify the 1870 campaign bars and a few of the medals.

A picture of the family tree

A colorized version of the same picture...

a picture of his wife Agnes taken from the 1905 anniversay book.

Taken from his anniversary book... dated 1905.... and the first picture I have of him with the 1870 oaks, bars and Centenial medal.

circa 1895

about 1890... and this is the only pics that I have of him in something other than his standard service tunic. The details in these photographs is incredible.. to the point where you can make out the actual medals and details in the bar.

This one... circa 1880... with the addition of the 1870 awards

This next pic.. I date around 1870.....

Some of you may have seen the postings that I have made on the WAF in regards to my year + project researching and reconstructing Ernst I von Sax-Altenburg. Well?. Over the coarse of the research I accumulated some great CDV?s and postcards of him from different years and ages. I find that it?s quite interesting to see how the medal bar changed and awards. I thought some of you might find this of interest. His bio: Born 1826 Ernst I. from the Stammliste for Inf. R. 96" 17.08.1845 enterd the Sachsen-Altenburg line Batl. as a Sek.Lt. 28.09.1847 attached to the prussian J?ger Batl. 6 08.05.1851 promoted Prem.Lt. and placed ? la suite 1. Garde Regt. zu Fu? 21.10.1852 promoted captain 17.03.1853 granted "Charakter" as a Major 03.08.1853 became reigning Herzog of Sachsen-Altenburg 17.02.1856 promoted Generalmajor and placed ? la suite der Armee 16.05.1861 made "Chef" (honorary colonel) of J?ger Batl. 6 08.06.1866 promoted General of the Infantry Took part in 1870/71 war attached to HQ of IV. Armeekorps Credited with following campaign/battle participation: Sieges of Metz, Toul and Soissons Battles of Orl?an, Loigny-Pouprt, Beaugency-Cravant and the Siege of Paris 16.08.1876 Chef I./Inf. R. 96 13.09.1876 placed ? la suite 1. Garde Regt. zu Fu? 28.11.1891 placed ? la suite of Husaren Regt. 12 28.03.1894 Chef IV./Inf. R. 96 10.04.1897 Chef Inf. R. 153 28.09.1907 promoted Generalobert 07.02.1908 died Medal bar awards as of 1908 1) EK 2. Klasse 1870 mit Eichelaub 25 2) Russian St. George Order 3) Mecklenburg-Schwerin, MVK 2. Kl. 1870 4) Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Greifen-Orden, Ritterkreuz 5) Prussian long service cross 6) Sachsen long service cross 7) Sachsen- Altenburg long service cross 8) S?chsische Herzogt?mer ab 1826, Herzoglich Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausorden, Silbernes Verdienstkreuz 9) Kriegsdenkm?nze 1870 mit Paris, Orl?ans, Loigny-Pouprt 10) Prussian 1848/49 commemorative medal 11) Preussen, Centenarmedaille 1897 12) Hannoversche Jubil?umsdenkm?nze mit Datum ?19. Dezember 1803/19. Dezember 1903 13) Schaumburg-Lippe Military merit medal with sabers for 1870/71 14) Mecklenburg-Schwerin - Franz II memorial medal 1897 15) Saxe-Coburg Gotha Medaille zur Erinnerung an die Silberne Hochzeit Herzogs Alfred and Marie, 1899. 16) Anhalt Duke Friedrich Silver Jubilee Medal. Ernestinian Grand cross star with swords Johaniter breast cross Prussian Black eagle Hohenzoller Grand commander Bavarian Hubertus. Saxon order of the Crown Rue The first pic is of young Ernst.. that I'm estimating dates around 1860.... notice the few medals and the very early helmet [attachmentid=36052]