Ed_Haynes

Amusing? No, Bob! That is a LOVELY document and an even more lovely photo. Nice nice nice !!!!

As it is eBay, I guess there is no way to stop this. Ah . . . eBay . . . ???

I don't think this is Soviet, I have never seen any such badge and, in fact, nothing was ever issued formally to recognise the Revolution. Someplace (one of those auction catalogues?) I recall seeing this badge with this ID, but who knows. A lovely and potentially very important thing, though!

Nice thread, but I am not sure the foreign and multinational medals quite fit?

Why are they included here?!?!?

Hi all,

I need to publicly thank all those who, either on the Forum or via email, helped me in this research on the Zanzibar group belonged to Dr. Mac Donald. This research (that involves my professional life) has now become a fascinating work on a relatively less-known aspect of Great Britain's colonial history, facts that deserve all the attention of collectors and enthusiasts.

In this case, history and documents gave "life" to an otherwise anonymous (although rare) group. The participation and contribution of many people in this Forum, gave the "final touch" to a highly interesting picture.

What's happened in these days, shows how important the Web can be, allowing the contact between us, the otherwise little world of collectors and experts of Phaleristic.

Sincerely,

Enzo Calabresi

Very well put, Enzo. Thanks.

And it's gone again! OK, who's the greedy one who had to bypass the auction?

Not I. But still a FASCINATING image. Raises some good questions.

Welcome back, mate. Always a problem when demands of Real Life have to take precedence. Thanks for all your fine work, which has defined and invented the field! For better or worse any source in Albanian will have only a limited impact.

Will this shape up into the first medal of "independent" Scotland?

Browne rejects plea for medals to mark 1940 sinking of Lancastria

By PETER MACMAHON SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT EDITOR

DES Browne, the Defence Secretary, has formally rejected calls for the survivors and victims of Britain's worst maritime disaster to be honoured with a medal.

In a letter to a MSPs, he said the UK government would not sanction the casting of a commemorative medal to recognise the sinking of the Clyde-built Lancastria during the Second World War.

Last night, campaigners said the letter underlined the "dismissive, almost contemptuous" attitude the Ministry of Defence had demonstrated over the issue.

In his letter to Holyrood's public petitions committee, which is considering a plea for the Scottish Government to issue a medal, Mr Browne commended the work of the Lancastria Association, which has been campaigning for the victims to be honoured, and said the sacrifice of the thousands who died "must never be forgotten".

However, he said commemorative medals were instituted only to recognise Royal coronations and jubilees, and he signalled the government did not plan to change this.

He went on: "Official medals approved by Her Majesty the Queen are only awarded for military campaign service, long service, individual achievement and for individual acts of gallantry. There is no tradition in the United Kingdom to offer medals to commemorate specific incidents like the sinking of the HMT Lancastria."

Mark Hirst, of the Lancastria Association of Scotland, condemned Mr Browne's response, which included a suggestion the group might issue a "commemorative certificate" to survivors.

Mr Hirst, whose grandfather survived the disaster in June 1940, said the "patronising reference" to a certificate "sums up the MoD's attitude with regard to the survivors and relatives of victims of the Lancastria disaster".

He went on:

"The MoD has consistently refused to meet with our association. They have refused to designate the wreck site as an official wargrave.

"They are also withholding a series of official documents related to the disaster and are now refusing to commemorate Lancastria veterans elsewhere in the UK by striking a medal in recognition of their efforts and supreme sacrifice."

The Defence Secretary's formal response makes it more likely the Scottish Government will issue medals. However, this will mean only the 400 Scots victims will be honoured.

Some 4,000 soldiers and sailors died when the Lancastria was sunk by the Nazis on 17 June, 1940 ? two weeks after Dunkirk ? while evacuating service personnel from France.

Fearing for national morale, Winston Churchill, the then prime minister, slapped a "D- notice" on the tragedy, banning any reports of the sinking.

Backed by The Scotsman, the families of victims and survivors have been campaigning for a commemorative medal to be struck in honour of the victims.

The full article contains 446 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.Last Updated: 30 December 2007 9:42 PM

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Browne-r...dals.3628782.jp

Nice ones. Thanks, Paul.

Yes, he should definitely be named (and preferably maimed!)

Well put, Danny. You need help?

Shall fly trans-Atlantic to join in.

Research.

Research.

Research.

Research.

Need I continue????

Maybe such deviant items were only used among the "allies" (such as the Austrians) as all shown are on kinky trifold mounts?

As a real outsider, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with either bar. For reasons as mentioned above.

Sorry.

Hello All:

I believe that "revisionist history" is human nature when writing from the "losing side" after the gun barrels have cooled. No one wants to admit that their side did not reign supreme on the battlefield overall. No one wants to personally admit defeat. It's the old "I really didn't think that it was a good idea" type of statement after it is all said and done. If things had turned out differently, would these folks be as vocal?

I believe that most folks accept their lot and things bigger than themselves. May God bless the souls of all of the soldiers who fell during the Great War. They marched off for God and Country with cheers! If only we had as many folks with their fortitude and conviction today! (Don't get me wrong, there are a good many of our "boys" "over there" right now who have plenty of conviction and fortitude!).

Sorry to digress! Thank you for your patience!

"SPM"

While I accept many of your point, "SPM" [no name]. any objective glance at the various positions of the 1914 German political parties on the "left" would suggest that were was substantial opposition to the war from the outset and -- for as long as they were allowed free speech -- this continues throughout the war both in official and "unofficial" poltical channels. Whatever it is you mean by "revisionist history", maybe it targets those who intend to obscure that objective historical reality?

Contemporary refences are quite irrelevant, of course.

Many, you must recall, but we are told to forget, opposed the war all along. Then as now, mate, then as now.

Read your history.

1914 is one thing, 1916 is QUITE another (but many opposed it all along).

The way you put it, pretty easy: F (if not 'G')

Many thanks, 'molders'

Yes . . . . . . . . . how long can the skull stand up??

Humanity . . .

Gold-Silver-Bronze split or something more vague??

As 'Ulsterman' has implied in another thread, maybe a JOMSA article. Break your track record, Rick!

Woo.

Do we need separete threads for each class (metal)?

As an offender re. thread discipline: Should we add (re-add) other 'silver's here and set up a 'gold' thread?

Good point Paul.

While I do not collect Irish medals -- though I have had fantasies and dreams and temptations and a group like this -- I am not entirely sure it would be a bad trade to swap a cessation oif idiot-scum-criminal splitting in a case like this for a not-outside-Ireland stupid law.

Nevertheless, I weep, I weep.

The press, the press, the press. Without delay!!

They'll gut him?

Righty, Rick, our species is f f****d. (But, then, you haven't met my students in SC, have you?) All glory to the cockroaches! Inheritors of Terra, and they're welcome to what we've left of Her.

Makes ya wanna weep, or drink, or both . . . oh, too Irish?

So . . . there is still much MUCH field open for a good multi-lingual work. Please!!

Those of us on the forum will will be glad to help, where and how we can.

Interesting. Very interesting. There is some debate over this and when I put the question directly to Battushig he admitted not knowing. It would have been (appropriately) the only "4" known.

What is the source of the picture?

In any case, these early awards seem not to have been, then or now, in The Bank.