Ed_Haynes

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Chain of command . . .

It does get better later on.

And the very illegible Glory recommendation:

Reverse. What were his other (and missing) awards??

Undocumented, but researched.

Record card 1.

Senior Sergeant Aslambeck Konstantinovitch Gutnov, 78th Rifle Division

Another Glory 3, #286673.

Not much translated, so I'll need a bit of assistance here.

A nice article has just been published, "Unusual 'Heroes' of North Korea", by Robin C. Chiang, Journal of the Orders and Medals Society of America, 58, 6 (November-December 2007): 36-37.

Wherein we learn, for example, of the retrospective award in 2000 of "hero" to a brave ginkgo tree which had crashed (is that the right verb?) a US aircraft during the Korean war. Presumably this was a posthumous award?

A nice article has just been published, "The New Iraqi Medals", a combination by the editor ( ) of material submitted by Owain Raw-Rees and Edward Emering, Journal of the Orders and Medals Society of America, 58, 6 (November-December 2007): 34-35.

Right now, I have suspicions that the unnumbered ones may just be "escapees" and unawarded.

OK, what you have here are three separate medals to three distinct individuals.

1- India General Service Medal, 1908, clasp Wasiristan 1919-21 to 2205 SEPOY BATTAN SINGH, 1-26 PUBIS. He may be missing WWI medals but there is no way to say.

2- British War Medal 1914-18 to 1229 NK. THAKAR SINGH, 51 SIKHS. Obviously, you already found him in the CWGC website. He is probably missing a 1914-15 Star and surely missing an Allied Victory Medal. Until recently, Indian groups routinely got split up by metal. In WWI the 51st: 2 companies Sikhs (his), 1/2 of Dogras, 1 of Pathans, 1/2 of Punjabi Muslims. Went in the Frontier Brigade to serve on the Suez Canal, at Aden, and to the Tigris. 3 Jan 1916: 28th Infantry Brigade (Maj Gen G. V. Kemball), 7th Division (Maj Gen G. Younghusband) at Ali Gharbi. On 21 January 1916, casualties: 4 BO, 2 IO, 104 OR. 27 January 1916: in 28th Brigade (left back of the Tigris) with 2 BO, 8 IO, 405 OR. 27 February 1916: in 28th Infantry Brigade (Maj Gen G. V. Kemball), 7th Division (Maj Gen G. Younghusband), Tigris Corps. 7 March 1916: 28th Brigade (13 BO, 13 IO, 576 OR). On 8-9 March 1916, 4 killed, 54 wounded, 1 missing (8% casualties). 5 April 1916: 28th Brigade, 7th Division: 4 BO, 12 IO, 568 OR. 22 April 1916: 3 BO, 4 IO, 316 OR. 15 July 1916: still in 28th Brigade (Lt Col A. E. Davies), 7th (Meerut) Division (Maj Gen A. S. Cobbe); the same 27 August 1916, in the Sinh-Shaikh Saad area (Tigris Corps). 19 November 1916: 28th Infantry Brigade (Brig C. H. Davies), 7th Division (Maj Gen V. B. Fane), 1st Indian Army Corps (Lt Gen A. S. Cobbe), Tigris Front. 21 January 1917: 28th Infantry Brigade, 3rd Division, 1st Corps, Tigris Front. 27 May 1917: 28th Infantry Brigade, 7th Division, 1st Corps, Tigris Frong; on the right bank of the Tigris, north of Samarra station. Still there 18 November 1917, but apparently gone by 30 March 1918. Later, to Palestine.

3- A WWII War Medal to 908 NK. BACHAN SINGH, I. P. C.

Records, if any, are unavailable. Still with the regiments, maybe. In India at least, releasing this information is a crime.

Ohhhh . . . somehow I missed this. Let me drag down some sources . . . .

Welcome to a new addiction! As you say, and as you know, things have changed so quickly that there isn't much to find. Bbut between Igor's and Alexei's limited stocks and a few things on e$cam, you should be bale to find some things.

And you MUST get Battushig's book. Before too long, it will become very hard to find.

Thank you very much for the information. Ihave been in the camps a lot of times. I have not seen clothes with such a large stamp on a place where it was to bee seen at first sight. Is it possible that it was for prison use ?

regards

Frank

That had been my thought (absolute guess) as well. Is there any chance of a photo?

My guess would be that these two strips represented the clasps-that-never-were for the Great War, though I have never been able to determine (before this) whether any word of these ever filtered down to serving troops in India.

Given today's prices . . . maybe not so bad. The latest MYB cites ?15-20, but . . . ?? For an Indian Army fanatic, there's enough (rank/unit/mounting) to constitute 'value added', while a mainline 'British' collector might see it as 'junk' from the outset. Please leave it as is and not replace the 'ribbon', though, too much history and personality would be lost.

As this has little to to with the region, and if left here may provoke political discussion, I am moving this thread.

Thanks, Ferdinand. Confusion is central to our diet??

. . . and . . . way down in the gutter . . . .

And . . . PS . . . the only up-the chain-of-command recommendations . . . where he got downgraded . . .

Virtual celebration takes place . . . !!!

Where is the :fireworks: image?

Can you put names on any of these, other than the obvious Bill 2 . . . ?

Oh . . .

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big GRATZ , Doc!

Which rerverse date?

Ed

What I know from The Source (and a most reliable one!) is:

. . .he was originally nominated for a For Valor medal, but it was downgraded. The medal was awarded to him for being wounded in the hand and leg in April 1942 while fighting with the 291st Rifle Regiment. I haven't been able to find them in my orders of battle, but based on the fact that a new 291st was formed in July 1942 would indicate that his unit was surrounded and wiped out when he was wounded! Probably some super interesting stories there!

HELP?!??!

Ditto, part 2.