Ed_Haynes

Translation.

Gallantry recommendation.

Next page.

Order book.

Translation.

Part 2.

Record card, part 1

His medals.

Very interesting. Thanks!

Makes me think back to my first Soviet medal, a solo Glory III to First Sergeant of the Guards Alexandra Vasilyevna Grebenschchikova. See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2329

Glad to see you are having fun here. It may be better to take non-English conversation over into PMs, as this is an Anglophone forum.

If it is related to the medals, we'd all like to read what you are saying. If it is not, does it belong here?

I like the upright backing bars to line the rows up neatly. What does the back look like?

A rather uninteresting back with nasty points. Rather like the dynasty? (Attachment blob missing lower left -- again, suggestive of history?)

(At least it doesn't eat you, much, though it gave me a scar. But not a cannibal, unlike the dynasty. )

Native Russian speaker time, then???

Does this help?

(Intresting badge! )

Just to compare the three Order of the Sadul Star of Bikaner badges that live with me. Some very interesting comparisons emerge.

BUNDI: Accession Medal, 1945 (?)

McClenaghan, #97, pp. 108-9

Based on the recent M&E sale, this ribbon is probably incorrect?

A very naughty one, A Thing That Should Not Be, but it was, and is.

Ed,

The real take away from this case is that even archival research, to wit: Gnitienko's Special Awards Record Card (SARC), was found to be in error.

The people who compiled the book listing the serial numbers of all Orders of Glory for the Full Cavaliers used these SARCs as their sourcing.

All of us (Paul McDaniel, Dudeman, NavyFCO and myself) found it difficult to believe that something as important as a Full Cavalier's records could be prone to administrative error. We went with the standard convention that archival research (in this case Gnitienko's SARC) was gospel - until this case demonstrated otherwise.

This only begs the question of how many other Gnitienko-like errors are out there.

Regards,

slava1stclass

Absolutely, "Slava"! This was what The Researcher found most interesting and most instructive too. It is nice to know there are always new things to learn.

Ed,

Are there any documents which name the unit in which he served ? If you have only the award certificates it will not give you unit details and can be very difficult to research in any detail.

Any certificates for the Golden Kite above the 7th class are scarce, with the 6th class actually harder to find than 5th in my personal experience.

Paul

Still sorting through the documents (and flattening them out with great care -- they had been rolled).

This certificate (1 April Meiji 39) is the earliest.

Beyond this:

• 8 August Meiji 39 - awarded 1st class honors
• 13 October Meiji 39 - completion of a course in ??? at Army Toyama School
• 13 October Meiji 39 - certificate in excellence in gymnastics from Army Toyama School
• 30 Novembber Meiji 39 - ordered to Army Toyama School for instruction
• 1 December Meiji 39 - appointed senior sergeant (Army Toyama School)
• 27 December Meiji 39 - award of 1 yen 43 sen for merit, Army Toyama School
• 17 September Meiji 40 - certificate from Imperial Soldier's Support League certifying "that in the 1904-05 War you were decorated for fighting with great bravery and being wounded" and are "given the loyal and brave cherry blossom medal" - to him as "Former Army Infantry Sergeant"
• 1 December Meiji 40 - awarded 2nd class honors, Army Toyama School
• 26 December Meiji 40 - award of 26 yen 55 sen for merit, Army Toyama School
• 1 December Meiji 41 - awarded 1st class honors, Army Toyama School
• 14 December Meiji 41 - award of 30 yen 10 sen for merit, Army Toyama School
• 20 April Taisho 7 - certificate from Greater Japan Budo School, ??? Branch, for donation of 2 yen toward founding of Ibaragi branch

Help!!

So, I will ask our researcher to get ALL documents dealing with Sgt. Gnitienko from Podolsk .

Given what we all now know you have , it will be well worth the expenditure and the wait!

I think, that Gnitienko's entry there includes all recommendations and citations - what is your opinon ?

I'd still get the real things. As we now see very clearly, that book is far less than accurate.

Having established that it is kosher -- and please don't gloat too much, Christian , though you may well have earned that right -- the next step is to get back to The Researcher and finish the task with his recommendations and whatever else can be found.

Research is ALWAYS better than guessing.

A new, nice, and numbered Red Banner, #0323. Better quality than most (early?).

A new and nice PDRA mounted group.

Stamp on reverse:

"1 September Meiji 39 [= 1906 CE]. Official gazette supplement."

As some of you know (or may have guessed), I love documented groups. This one has a ton of them.

Hard to scan, so it will take some time to get them up (and I may not inflict all of them on you unless you insist).

This

"Army Sergeant Miyamoto Uraji

"This certifies that for bravery and merit during the Meiji 37-38 War [the war with Russia] you are awarded the 6th class Order of the Golden Kite, an annual pension of 200 Yen, and the 7th class Order of the Rising Sun.

"1 April Meiji 39 [= 1906 C.E.].

"Viscount Motoharu Hisashi Junior 2nd rank and holder of the 1st order of merit. Director General, Bureau of Merit and Awards."