Ed_Haynes

Well, it is still there. If it doesn't get you excited enough, try the documented Order of Lenin Type 1 "Tractor" #93, on another dealer's site.

"Just" $68,500.

I remember driving past and seeing it in summer 2006, but WHERE, and WHAT??

Thanks, Paul. Hoped you'd set us straight.

We need a better reference than Peterson, I guess. (Hint, hint.)

Yes, Lilo, as I understand it (and it is very complex, not knowing Japanese), they'd drop their Rising Sun when they got the Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun with Pawlonia Flowers. Or at least they should have. What they'd actually do is something else, and, of course, they'd wear NOTHING Japanese after 7 December 1941.

I just heard that research was ready for two of my awards (RS 103683 & OPWII 44030). The results are on my way (it took exactly three months). If they are interesting I will post them here...

The Researcher has told me that he will have a "large bundle" for me at OMSA. we shall see . . . . Hope is alive.

Nice ones. Quite uncommon. :envy:

Some of the confusion here, I think, is the difficulty that Westerners have in comprehending the whole "Order of Merit" structure that underlay all of the Japanese awards and was more important than the (uniquely) Western concept of distinct "orders" (growing out of the crusader urge).

As I understand it, the Kyokujitsu Doka Daijusho -- or, as usually put into English "Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun with Pawlonia Flowers", etc. -- was created by Imperial Edict No. 1 of 4 January 1888 as a First Order of Merit Decoration affiliated to the Kyokujitsusho -- the "Order of the Rising Sun". The Rising Sun had been created back in 1875. The Pawlonia was the First Order of Merit award that replaced the Rising Sun in that grade. Yes, this is all very confusing. As I understand it, it was always linked to but separate from the Rising Sun.

Again: Think in terms of Orders of Merit -- horizontally, not vertically ("orders").

Can others more expert that I help out?

By the way, I have consulted Peterson's work on Jpanese awards. When all else fails, and you want information, you need to read carefully researched books (and not Wikipedia or other online sources!).

Sorry to hear this, that these bars are such a paradise for the fakers.

Yes, as Christian says: RESEARCH!

Anything else is mere guesswoirk, sometimes informed guesses, sometimes not. You won't know until you KNOW.

They're early enough to be interesting, back when the Red Star still mattered. But they're not so early as to elude research efforts.

Now you only have to arrange to live long enough to get your research results back.

Proposal : Titles for achievments at Christophe's quiz

Gentlemen,

we have already a rather large number of multiple winners at our Soviet & Eastern Block Quiz .

Why not create special titles of distinction according to the number of scores ?

5 scores: "Honoured Socialist Answerer" (there are quite a lot ...)

10 scores: "Meritorious Socialist Answerer" (only one: Bryan "Soviet")

25 scores: "Hero of Socialistic Answering" - HSA (already two: Christophe & myself)

For getting the HSA a second time (50 correct answers at the quiz) the GMIC-member has the right to erect a small monument with a bust of himself in the town or village, where the twice-HSA had been borne (at his own costs ).

HSAs are allowed to wear the medal HSL (out of their own private collections - no copies please!) at GMIC-meetings.

Too weird - Gentlemen, what's your opinion?

Best regards

Christian

Too weird, Christian, way too weird.

Dear Ed,

true words .... , maybe we should find a convinient time-zone for putting new questions: 18:00 to 24:00 GMT ?

Well, the fact is, that a RB or also the early RBL had de facto the same prestique in the era of Civil War / Imperalistic Intervention as a later HSU or HSL.

Best regards

Christian

No, we are global, and time zones are a part of the joy/price of that. I'll just have to study up on airplanes and architecture, and . . . . And also never sleep.

And I think a good close look at the early statutes of the early awards would be an interesting exercise. I don't have the Russian (etc.) for the task, though. I'd like to know, for example, what the awards were called when they were instituted, not what they came to be called later on and what names collectors have stuck onto them.

Can numbered Korean awards be researched?

In theory, yes. In reality, absolutely not, in part for the reasons "Belaruski" brought up. Anything numbered must have (or once have had) a roll somewhere. Finding it is the trick. And the greater trick would be to go beyond a one-liner ("Xxxxx 1234 was awarded on 5 March 1965 to Xxxxx Xxxxx") to a full (Soviet-style) recommendation and personnel file. Only Soviet collectors enjoy (enjoyed?) this documentary richness. But a one-liner would be better than nothing. Assuming the DPRK did as others (USSR and MPR) did and awarded their high awards for mere survival over time, it would help to sort out real awards for doing something real from the mass of other awards for simply "stayin' alive" (sounds of John Travolta). But . . . not now for the DPRK . . . and probably not anytime soon even if those who hope (and plot) for "political change" get their way.

Interesting. That name is familiar . . . off to reference books to squint at the Mongolian I really can't read . . . .

Blasted time zones! This was one I could have answered! And I have had a good question ready. Musn't sleep any more.

The design of that badge, though, always makes me wonder whether it wasn't really a Labor HERO and not a "Red Banner" award.

Odd that it is (1) just an Africa Star, (2) so many medals mounted backwards and (2) the Africa Star ribbon is reversed. With the possible exception of '1', so flawed that it has to be real.

C`mon guys, she did not create the hype. She was more or less a victim of it. To revoke it would mean wrong doing on her part. She may not be sgt. Rock but I am sure there are many medals out there that were awarded because of hype.

Remember way back when? The 3-4 GIs that were captured in the Balkans? They made a wrong turn, were captured..... and got medals? Not their fault either...

True, Chris. But I thought your second scenario was in the movie "Wag the Dog"?

Getting back on topic, I feel these coins are total rubbish, and I certianly wouldn`t pay over the going rate for a eagle for one!!!

Oh, yeah, this was about some commercial commemorative collector's coin concoction . . . .

I forgot.

Always a shame to see this sort of thing happen. As Alex says, there are some real sharks out there online. Sometimes it may be better to pay a bit more to buy from a real dealer.

Before you inter these, could you post scans of the offending items, for our education?

Do you have ribbon for your stupid police medal, Brian? Will be dropping some with John at the OMSA to deposit in the ribbon bank or you can PM me.

Complete hype by the gelded US media and their military masters.

However, since everyone else seems to get Bronze Stars if they heard shots had been fired in anger . . . .

Ratio of Bronze Stars for valor to deaths by branch:

Army 0.7-to-1

Marines 0.8-to-1

Navy 7-to-1  

Air Force 4.5-to-1

Ratio of Bronze Stars for merit to deaths by branch:

Army 21-to-1   

Marines 1.8-to-1

Navy 13-to-1

Air Force 56-to-1

See: http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/181337.html

The ribbon is either for the Indian Police Medal (1932-40), The Indian Police Medal for Meritorious Service (1940-50), or the Police Medal for Meritorious Service (1950--). Seems to be a modern manufacture.

I hear there's a book coming that will help you disentange these after 1947.

One variety of the post-1947 medal:

Afghanistan, Order of Independence, grand cross. See: http://www.medals.org.uk/afghanistan/afgha...hanistan004.htm

Despite what it suggests on his MIC card, he may not have survived the 1922 regimental amalgamations.

3674 Sepoy Mahant Singh, 52nd Sikhs (Frontier Force) (later 2/12th Frontier Force Regiment)

1- BWM - "3674 SEPOY MAHANT SINGH, 52 SIKHS F F"

2- Victory - "3674 SEPOY MAHANT SINGH, 52 SIKHS F F"

3- GSM 18 "Iraq" "Kurdistan" - "3674 SEPOY MAHANT SINGH. 52-SIKHS."

After this, with the notable (and elusive) exception of his 1941 BEM, Ram Rakha drops back into the shadows. But it is nice to be able to illuminate, however slightly, the career of an otherwise invisible Indian clerk.