Ed_Haynes

Also at the museum:

Another intersting image from the Central Armed Forces Museum, Moscow.

Just found this goodie.

British opinion was behind this at the time and still is today.

True. But world public opinion was not and, to this day, may not be as supportuve.

This, maybe, is the danger of near-contemporary discussions on an international forum?

Let us hope that this thread doesn't morph into something ugly, political, and jingoistic.

Yes, it would be nice to hear. Though I must admit that my recent research requests have been moving on a geological time scale, it seems.

Other than the very very incomplete information given by Antonio and Megan we know almost NOTHING.

http://www.coleccionesmilitares.com/cintas/cintasaf.htm#a (go to "Africa 1" and look for Mozambique at the bottom of teh page)

http://www.medals.org.uk/mozambique/mozambique.htm

Two apologies: one, for my first post being a jump in here, and; two, for replying to an old post that Ed almost certainly knows the answer to by now, I'm sure.

Judging by the symbol on the medal which is the Minar-i-Maiwand in Kabul, this will be Ayub Khan, the ambitious brother of Yaqub Khan who defeated the British at Maiwand, 27 Jul 1880. aka The Victor of Maiwand or The Afghan Prince Charlie.

What a fantastic collection, Ed - wonderful.

- Garen

Thanks, Garen. I should have known that when I posted, later filled that mental blank, and never got around to updating the post. Thanks for jogging what is left of my memory.

What an incredibly ugly thing. What is it made from? Lead? Mud?

The real ones are silver and should be named on the edge.

I think Item 4 is not good

On what basis??

#3 - Order of the Precious and Brilliant Golden Grain (different order from the Order of the Golden Grain). Looks to be missing a central pearl.

Thanks, Jeff. Many of these badges have had their precious bits popped out. Sad.

I really wish we had a better reference on Chinese awards!

As these were not routinely gazetted, numbers are imprecise. The best information from Abbot and Tamplin (the best source) is:

DSO

France - 678

Italy - 251

Belgium - 134

U.S.A. - 83

Greece - 43

Serbia - 38

Rumania - 29

Japan - 21

Portugal - 21

Czechoslovakia - 20

Arab Army - 6

China - 2

Montenegro - 1

Russia - 1

Slavo-British Aviation Corps - 1

MC

France - 1423 (plus one bar)

Italy - 575

U.S.A. - 320 (plus 4 bars)

Belgium - 232

Romania - 69

Serbia - 68 (plus one bar)

Greece - 65

Czechoslovakia - 60

Portugal - 37

Japan - 34

Arab Army - 12

Russia - 6

China - 3

Montenegro - 2

Slavo-British Aviation Corps - 1

Verdun - 1

Ypres - 1

Item #2 is the Order of the Golden Grain

Item #4 is the Order of the Striped Tiger

As for their value Liverpool Medal has some (and if you divide their prices by 2 you would have a realistic guess...)

/Mike

Thanks, Mike. Confirms my thoughts (on all levels ).

Others?

Thanks again in advance (not the best images either).

Items 6, 7, 8

Item 5

Item 4

[item 3

The accompanying breast star.

Item 2

A close-up on the obverse.

Item 1

I have received images from a friend who is as ignorant as I am regarding Chinese orders. Sure, I have Wehrich and the OMSA database and Megan's and Yuri's sites and otrher sources, but they aren't complete. I (we) need help.

He wants to know:

1- What are they?

2- Approximately how much are they worth? (As some of you know, I am VERY uncomfortable askinmg such questions, but I have been asked to ask and so I do.)

The damage on some is extensive and troubling, I know.

Thanks in advance.

Would there be a problem if Americans downloaded the files and then e-mailed them to others who are blocked?

Chip

Legal problem? Maybe not.

Ethical and moral problem? Those who put them up set limits on their availability. They made these things available on those conditions. Figure out if this constitites a "problem".

If you scanned this book yourself, Paul may have a point, but if you are stealing the labor of others . . . oh, why do I bother, no one cares about ethics or morality or intellectual rights anymore. Those who put it up, must (should) have expected someone to ignore their expressed wishes and steal this material. Pirates are everywhere.

Thanks, Bob. You have demonstrated, beyond any doubt, the completely random overlapping of these two types. (And, of course, added a new low number for the flatback type.)