Ed_Haynes

BTW; From the tone of your statement i hope you dont think im biase or a Nazi nut. I collect Third Reich stuffs because of 2 things;- the excellent craftmanship & design plus the history behind it ( Im 80% complete in creating my website about the Monsun U-Boats in Singapore,Penang & Indonesia). I respect all militaria collectors rgardless of different collecting fields who are in this as a hobby and nothing whatsoever to do with politics.

Hi Ibrahim,

No problem. It is just that here, in the US, I do occasionally -- well, more than just occasionally -- wonder about many of those who collect Nazi stuff, whether they do so out of phaleristic and historical morives or whether they do so out of sympathy with the goals and ideology of the Third Reich. If you glance at some of the other militaria forums out there -- two come prominently to mind -- you'll see the fairly clear expressions of really unpleasant essentially "Nazi" ideas. Those who consider the SS to be no more than Boy Scouts make me wonder, but about them, the SS, or the Boy Scouts?

The items are history, and it is not their fault. Those who relish the ideas they represent are, to me at least, a source of concern.

Ed

WARNING - Rectification of Names follows!

Well, to make things a bit more complex, the name of this order is the "Order of the Polar Star" only in our habituated English translation. The real name, in Mongolian, it is the "Algan Gadas Odon" (whether in Cyrillic or Mongol Bichig), and this translates better into English as the "Order of the Golden Stake" or the "Order of the Golden Nail" or the "Order of the Golden Pole". (Maybe it's all the same, maybe not. Accuracy is important?) Given the stupid locker-room jokes that surround the unfortunate common translation of the real name of what is called in English the "Order of the Precious Rod", it may be better that we continue to use a flawed translation for this one?

Dear Ed

Yesterday I got a book about the Insigna, for one of the French members of the Society.

"The Insignia of the Society of the Cincinnati" written by Minnor Myers, Jr., Washington D.C., 1998.

Editor

Anderson House Museum and Library

The Society of the Cincinnati

2118 Massachusetts Avenue NW

Washington DC 20008

202-785-2040

The first part gives a history of the society and the Insigna

The second part gives a catalog of Varieties about 80 diverent fabrications, diveded in

-Eighteen century French Eagles

-Early American Eagles

-Later French Types

-Later American Types

Later American Types

- New York Style Eagles

- Tifany Styles

- The standard Eagle and other State Patterns

- Revival Designs

Oh, nice. I need to contact Anderson House and get a copy. Thanks!

Well, the society is still (mostly) alive, so I guess the only question is in what era the badges are made? Whether in the 1780s or the 2000s, a legitimate badge is a legitimate badge. Each state has its own design traditions, so, to the initiated, you can tell the difference. Although I am technically elegible I am not a member, as someone beat me to my ancestor!

I am just not sure how it will fit in among all the other multi-coloured clutter that defines US awards these days. And, so often, designing a ribbon and producing it nicely are two different things. Unless executed with elegance and quality of production, diagonally striped ribbons don't work.

So . . . the Air Force has a medal for combat readiness and a medal for combat. How about a medal for combat aftermath?

It so easily gets so silly.

Oh, I thought you meant collectors of Asian ODM. Not collectors of Asisn origin who chooect that Nazi stuff. OK.

Thanks, Rick. I await the unfolding of as much of the tale as we can access. Wow!

They're joking about the ribbon, right?

Given what it is for, probably Bengal, but no 100% certainty.

Woo hoo!!

I may have put this up somewere before, but for the post-1935 military division of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire see:

http://www.medals.org.uk/united-kingdom/un...-kingdom025.htm

and for the military division of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath see:

http://www.medals.org.uk/united-kingdom/un...-kingdom006.htm

This is actually a CBE. The MBE silver breast badge, and the OBE gilt breast badge. The CBE as shown above is an enameled gilt neck badge. The KBE adds a breast star to the neck badge while the GBE is a sash, badge, and breast star. Soviets were always "inventive" in their wear of foreign awards, especially those intended to be worn at the neck.

Well done, Ed!!!!!!!!!!

Ed

Interior. Joined 20 November 1959, showing payments 1960-69.

And, finally (aren't you glad), Red Cross member ID.

Property Users' Cooperative member identification.

The outside is faded red on black and scans as nothing. The relevant interior information:

A closeup. What is he wearing?!?!?

Interior, Gurvan Zagal soum, Dornod aimag.

Another Labor Union Public Control certificate.

Resident at Gurvan Zagal, Dornod aimag.

Labor Union Public Control certificate.

Closeup of recipient

Inside. Dornod Aimag. Date of booklet 20 November 1972 (member since 18 September 1932), born 7 January 1909. Shows payments November 1972 through June 1974.

A second labor union booklet (a familiar style seen before).

Closeup on recipient.