Ed_Haynes

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Order of Mother Heroine, 1st Class (A33.1, A34.1, A35.1, A36.1):

5,396 16/02/1965

8,128 01/03/1967

11,608 13/02/1970

16,062 21/02/1972

21,460 25/01/1975

24,179 20/02/1976

31,252 22/02/1978

33,062 17/02/1979

34,361 23/02/1980

43,883 00/03/1984

45,130 25/02/1981

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here is the only known data point for the Order of the Red Banner of Combay Valor (A23/A24):

5,348 09/08/1999

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Order of Combat Valor (A30):

1,049 01/10/1959

1,552 29/09/1964

2,146 00/06/1969

2,695 1972

2,777 1971

4,836 15/07/1985

5,138 03/04/1986

5,685 27/03/1987

6,300 09/07/1988

6,515 04/07/1991

6,854 29/08/1995

6,885 28/08/1995

6,972 29/08/1995

7,388 15/09/1995

8,068 09/08/1999

8,126 09/08/1999

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Medal "Friendship" (A44):

1,761 12/11/1968

4,086 1971

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here is the single known data point for the Medal for Unselfishness (A40):

1,046 29/04/1999

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Honorary Medal of Combat (A37):

854 26/09/1946

1,288 16/09/1947

3,813 08/07/1947

4,312 08/07/1947

4,521 11/09/1953

5,228 24/07/1954

5,514 20/08/1951

19,346 24/09/1984

20,151 19/07/1985

And the Medal "25 Years of the MPR":

13,958 30/07/1946

14,184 17/08/1946

15,955 15/09/1961

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Medal "We Won" (A41):

3,443 06/07/1946

5,698 16/07/1947

9,678 09/07/1946

21,406 20/09/1946

26,931 28/12/1990

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Honorary Medal of Labor (A38):

9,393 13/11/1956

9,672 27/09/1956

10,328 30/08/1956

10,660 17/10/1951

11,032 06/11/1956

16,235 26/06/1964

16,573 15/07/1965

17,040 07/07/1966

23,159 04/08/1976

24,082 14/07/1960

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Hero of Labor "Goly Soyombo" Medal (A3):

1 1956

52 28/11/1962

250 1981

424 03/04/1986

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Badge of Honorary Chekist (D03a/D03b):

163 17/07/1944

393 10/09/1973

Looks like a true "fun guy" and that snappy state security leather coat just reinforces the image.

You say this photo fell out, loose? Sad, for it would be nice to see the document matches with.

Wonder if someone was selling it as a "Hero Watch"??

I associate the wrapped thread approach to ribbon bars with the Middle East, mainly with Syria. This is the first time I've seen this ribbon bar treatment for Mongolia. Nice.

Interesting! Great question.

Interesting. All yours??

Recently, to relieve a bout of boredom on the forum, several of us have been consulting off-list in an effort to start a general guide to rarity of Mongolian awards. To a degree this links up with Bob's efforts at tracing pricing (up up up UP).

Using familiar ("Red Bible") rarity codes, we have come up with the appended list. It is not complete, it is not rocket science, it is MUCH open to comment and discussion, and maybe it will entice some discussion.

RARITY_KEY.pdf

RARITY_KEY.pdf

Agreed. Let us work in tandem.

Question: Isn't what you show as "Medal for the Victory over Japan 3,443 06/07/1946" actually "Medal We Won 3,443 06/07/1946"?

No problem.

It's not a "perfect" list with reference to types, names, etc. but still I use it as a quick reference to determine with reasonable directional accuracy the timing of certain awards.

Thanks! And the list makes clear the general chaos that we all know the Polar Star to be!!

Until we gain indirect access to The Records, this can give us a guide.

To add a few data points:

Sukhbaatar Order

1412 - 2/12/1980

Red Banner of Labor

4452 - 28/1/1975

Honorary Medal of Combat

5514 - 20/8/1951

Medal "We Won"

5698 - 16/7/1947

More to come (soon).

The groups I like are those where a first Red Banner is retained as screwback, but screwed on in line, under a row of ribbon-mounted awards, so it only LOOKS suspended from a ribbon. Someplace, we have some photos of that wearing style. The best of both worlds!

Thanks for updating these, Bob! Can all of us (survivors) please check to see if we have anything to add.

For ease of use, I may duplicate these in the award-specific threads, if that is OK, Bob.

Well said, Jim!

And may we also remember that issues of value should be mainly historical and only to a much lesser degree commercial.

Being broken is never a "plus" for any of us, but numismatically perfect and unawarded is to be empty of history and interest. Yet the market, rightly or wrongly -- our numismatic roots showing? -- still places a premium on condition.

Exactly, Jim! I have always believed that the "reconverted" were contemporary modifications done to service the collector market, destroying history in the process and producing a borderline-faked badge.

This would make a legitimate unconverted screwback a pretty rare bird?

Yes, this was pulled by eBay, apparently in response to the assertion that it was Crown property. Are we seeing the makings of a Canadian "Stolen Valor" movement here?