Ed_Haynes

Q 01 -- The Outstanding Worker of MIAT

J 44 -- Hunter Pin

J 38 -- Scientific Institute of Animal Husbandry

J 12 -- Good Herder

J 20 -- The Outstanding Collective Farmer of the MPR

J 21 -- The Outstanding Herder

J NIB 05 -- Outstanding Worker of the State Farm

A variant of J 07, with different suspension. With light and dark enamel.

Be very VERY VERY careful with stuff coming out of Georgia (both of them).

PS - I have added the 1911 Durbar awards over at http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=13793

During the tour of the Prussian Crown Prince (son of Kaiser Wilhelm II) in India in 1911, awards were -- of course -- presented. While all of these would become naughty and unwearable in three years, it is worth recording these awards here.

prussia1911.pdf

prussia1911.pdf

I appreciate your attiutude with regard to keeping collections together, but sometimes that cannot be accomplished.

Most records will be in the National Archives (Public Record Office) in Kew. Often (but not always) these would have been published in the London Gazette. While the online LG is notoriously cranky, it has condescended to share these 1911 awards of the Red Eagle:

10 February 1911:

"Whitehall, February 9, 1911.

"The KING has been pleased to give and grant unto William Drory, Esq., Director of the Imperial Continental Gas Association, Frankfort-On-Main, His Majesty's Royal licence and authority to accept and wear the Insignia of the Fourth Class of the Order of the Red Eagle, conferred upon him by His Majesty the German Emperor, King of Prussia, in recognition of valuable services rendered by him."

10 November 1911:

"Whitehall, November 9, 1911.

"The KING has been pleased to give and grant unto Arthur Edward Pearse Weigall, Esq., Chief Inspector of the Service des Antiquites at Cairo, His. Majesty's Royal licence and authority to accept and wear the Insignia of the Fourth Class of the Order of the Red Eagle, conferred upon him by His Majesty the German Emperor, King of Prussia, in recognition of valuable services rendered by him."

28 November 1911:

"Whitehall, November 24, 1911.

"The KING has been pleased to give and grant unto Sir Charles Wright Macara, Baronet, Chairman of the International Committee of the International Federation of Master Cotton Spinners' and Manufacturers' Associations, His Majesty's Royal licence and authority to accept and wear the Insignia of the Fourth Class of the Order of the Red Eagle, conferred upon him by His Majesty the German Emperor, King of Prussia, in recognition of valuable services rendered by him."

And none for 1912.

Obviously, French is not there, In any case, this would be an award in which, after 1914, no British recipient would take any pride.

Awards were granted by the recipient's rank, so if he got it, it would have been in a class applicable to his rank at that time.

My understanding of normal British practice would have been to allow the receipt of such an award, but not its wear.

These awards can usually be traced pretty easily in the archives. It could be either unrestricted permission, restricted permission (e.g., only in the presence of a "somebody" from the awarding State), or no permission (keep it in a drawer) could be granted. I have, for example, the lists of awards granted when the crown prince attended the 1911 Durbar in Delhi; most of these were unrestricted permissions. All of this, of course, ended abruptly in 1914 when all permissions for the wearing of now-enemy awards were cancelled.

And an insert of what must have been some very important information (?).

A 14 January 1981 award.

Badge # 105

Yeah, Dan, they are really nice, and some of amazing quality.

Here is a nice, documented, O 02

O 02 -- Honored Railway Worker

O 09 -- 500,000 km Engine Driver

O 08 -- 300,000 km Engine Driver

O 07 -- Engine Driver with 100,000 km

O 06 -- The Outstanding Engine Driver

O 04 -- The Honored Railway Worker

O 03 -- The Honored Railway Worker

Surprising that, for a nasty cheap aluminum badge, it is numbered; this "11".

I assume you have consulted Jefrey R. Jacob's book Court Jewelers of the World?

Frankly, I am uncertain on these medals (and the other group), which is why I had posted them for discussion. I have had queasy feelings on them for some time.

The danger with such discussion, however, is that it can so easily degenerate into a snarling match or into an exercise in dueling upsupported ex cathedra assertions of expertise. We have gotten perilously close to both, I fear. Either is ungentlemanly and unworthy of THIS forum.

While I am not a believer in the pseudo-scientific approach to unmasking fakes that prevails in some circles (and immensely distrustful of the implicit and often pretentious assertion that the manufacture and award of medals was ever an exact science down to the last angstrom), I do realise that fakes exist, sometimes abound. I had hoped, like Soviet, that we could learn collectively, but am unclear how circled photos constitute learning.

Maybe resorting to Pauls' expertise is the best way to approach such issues.