Ed_Haynes

W 12a, W 12c, W 12e -- Wrestling Badges, until 1992

These wrestling badges are complex and require an understanding of Mongolian wrestling, which I don't have. But I have figured out a few things.

1- There are no weight classes.

2- It is all single-elimination.

3- The badges are awarded for competitions at the annual nandaam celebrations. (In Ulanbaatar or everywhere? Maybe the local nandaam give rise to the provincial wrestling badges and these are the national ones.)

4- There are several ranks:

-- Supreme Champions ("Everywhere Celebrated Whole Ocean Sacred Giant") -- Hero of Labor material?

-- Giants -- victors in several nandaam ("several"?)

-- ??? -- nandaam victor (guess)

-- Lions -- winners in 8th and 9th rounds

-- Elephants -- winners in 6th and 7th rounds

-- Falcons -- winners in the 5th round

-- Hawk (guess)

5- I think there are several ranks missing from this list?

Shown (as in Battushig) are the Giant (W 12a), Elephant (W 12c), and Falcon (W 12e) badges. Missing are the Lion (what seems to have been left open in Battushig as W 12b) and one other unknown badge (W 12c). Post-2004 badges are known in the rank of "Hawk", so where does this rank fit in and what does it signify? It would seem there ought to be something between Giant and Lion?

I'll be trying to get a lot of this clarified.

See also: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6987

And, even though it is Wikipedia, see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_wrestling

W 48 -- Spartakad of Trade Unions, 1962

W 51 -- 1st Spartakad of the Worker Youth, 1957

W 58 -- Wrestling, 1967

W 57 -- Wrestling, 1965

W 56 -- Chess, 1963

W 55 -- Chess

W 02 -- Meritorious Sport Trainer

W 59 -- The Champion of the Army

Also cross-listed as C 40.

W 40 -- Spartakad of the City Handicrafts

W 41 -- Industrial Spartakad, 1961

W 35 -- Spartikad of the Pupil, 1968

W 60 -- 1st Spartakad of the Aldar Club, 1961

While I can't say that I am personally "drawn" to sports badges, there are clearly a lot of them and they are, therefore, an important part of the Mongolian system.

W 62 -- Aldar Club

Brief e-mail from researcher: "The group is a fake."

More to come.

J 51 -- The Honored Worker of the Wood Sector

To partner with Dolf's J 47, shown above:

J 48 -- Irrigation Sector

Any updates on the flatback vs. mirror reverse situation?

The reason I ask is I like these awards and may aquire one.

Sorry . . . "updates" . . . in what sense? Serial number ranges? I don't think so, but shall check.

To me, the flatbacks seem merely to be a manufacturing variety "sub-cluster" within a single-class serial numbered backs ranging from an observed 206 to 5009.

Those who need more varieties to exist may disagree. Have discussed this with Battushig, and he agrees, by the way; so, if I am wrong, I am wrong in good company.

From its founding in 1842 until the end of the Prussian kingdom in 1918, the Order Pour le M?rite for Sciences and Arts was awarded a total of 343 times. During the Weimar era another 30 awards were made. An early piece like this, then, would be extremely rare - far rarer than those Knight's Crosses of the Iron Cross which regularly sell for thousands - and the list of recipients includes some of the most famous names in arts and sciences.

And how many awards by the Federal Republic? Do you have that number, Dave?

I don't think there are any recipients of both the Prussian military order and the peace class, unless its someone pre 1918 I am missing.

Why am I remembering that Bismark got both??

I have only seen one, with my thesis advisor's father in India. While there were other things he had been awarded, seeing a Bharat Ratna, an Order of Merit (Civil), and a civil PLM all at once somehow made me ignore his other awards.

Hi Ed,

I do not have evidence, but was the officer who recommended hitler for his EK1 supposed to be Jewish?

Could it have been . . .

And we do have good and ample evidence of Jews and non-Whites in German forces in WWI . . . and he WAS a teacher (rabbi) . . .

Nice ones. And a good place to start. Oddly, these are the medals that seem to come out in quantity.

And we all knew that whenever "Chingisron" started bidding, just to step away. If "Chingisron" won the lot, it would soon be relisted. Amazing how easy it is to compromise a reputation. And this guy was (and still is) a major source of Mongolian items for many of us.