Ed_Haynes

Take your word for it, Michael. I avoid contact with Indian police, more than with other police. Except maybe Afghan.

Ed

" CHM" = what rank / trade? I don't know all the Indian ranks but can usually figure them out. This one has me confuzzled !

Peter

Company Havildar Major

Oops, correction,. another Dogra group: 4648 Company Havildar Major Dina Nath, 2/17th Dogra Regiment

See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2400&st=66

A part-original mounted group which I haven't had the heart to rip apart and remount.

4648 Company Havildar Major Dina Nath, 2/17th Dogra Regiment

1- IGS 08, GV, 2nd variety, "NORTH WEST FRONTIER 1930-31" -- "4648 SEP. DINA NATH, 2-17 DOGRA R."

2- IGS 36, "NORTH WEST FRONTIER 1936-37" -- "4648 NAIK DINA NATH, 2-17 DOGRA R."

3- 1939-45 Star -- "4648 CHM DINA NATH"

4- Pacific Star -- "4648 CHM DINA NATH"

5- Defence Medal -- "4648 CHM DINA NATH"

6- WWII War Medal -- "4648 CHM DINA NATH"

Need to check his POW status. Interestingly, no regiment on his WWII medals.

Nice Ed Is that the attachment system on the rev of the star?

The early OBIs and IOMs were made in a single piece, but they soon discovered that the high-domed enamel centres on the obverse cracked. The mint then started manufacturing these with a separate centre so it sould be screwed out and replaced if it was damaged. This is also the reason that early official naming of the IOM was stopped, to be replaced by occasional regimental naming. The 3rd Bengal Cavalry was very good in naming up the OBIs awarded to their VCOs, in pretty much the same style as Malik Singh's here.

A nice matching set. Not common.

Could the moderator please merge this into the preexisting topic.

Could the moderator please merge this into the preexisting topic.

The naming on his OBI:

Been around for a while, but only recently "dressed" and ready for public viewing:

Resaldar-Major Malik Singh, Bahadur, 3rd Bengal Cavalry

1- Order of British India, 2nd class - named as shown below.

2- Second Afghan Wr, "KANDAHAR", "Ressr. Mullock Singh 3rd Bengal Cavy"

3- Kabul to Kandahar Star - missing - anyone????

An interesting -- if somewhat disturbing -- discuission. I agree with Rick that the prevailing pro-military bias serves to obscure the full dimensions of any system of honors. If sports "heroes" are seen and rewarded as heroes, why can this not be understood? This is especially at issue when the Hero of Socialist Labor is now off the menu in new capitalism Russia?

In many cases, the original "recipient" of such eBay-offered (?) miniature "groups" was the person who is selling it, who had the "group" made up to order and with the intent of resale after adding in a "story". Absent some very solid and reliable provenance, miniature groups, being both unnamed and easy to assemble "off the rack", seem to me to be very dubious collectables, especially when they include high-end items like a VC.

It is bad enough when some research goes into these assembled miniature groups, when some effort is made to represent a "famous chest", but such an invented group "representing" X's medals is usually passed off as "X's medals". Often, however, scant knowledge goes into the assembly, and the fakers just add pretty medals that strike their fancy.

Most bizarre.

Indian Police would normally be a cursive "IPS" = Indian Police Service or a provincial designation if below "national" level.

Looks Prussian to me, but who knows.

Interesting . . . . .

With:

I find these "generous" HSU awards to be no different than the 11 "Titles" Hero Cities awarded to Moscow and other cities post GPW. IMHO ONLY Leningrad, Stalingrad, Sevastopol & Odessa truly earned the Title. The rest were purely political awards.

Doc

And, of course, "political" awards exist in all nations, in all periods. The HSU was never intended to be a "military-only" award and neither was the Russian successor. The interest comes in seeing how the award was actually given, under what circumstances.

Doc is absolutely right in focusing our attention on teh "Hero City" awards. May I add the various "cosmonaut awards"?

Compare:

Jeff . . . yoo hoo, Jeff . . . help us PLEASE?!??!

I read in Krasnaya Zvezda a couple of years ago where they gave the Hero of Russia medal to some Chechen boy who was killed. Personally I think that it should ONLY be awarded to SOLDIERS for HEROISM, either in war or during times of peace.

That may be true, but that isn't the way it has (Soviet => Russian) been awarded. Why the military bias?

While I don't have Munschke's full group (alas), I have bits. I have some Soviet "bits" too, see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1245&st=23 and folowinng posts.

Page 3, part 2.

Page 3, part 1. For legibility, I shall scan it in two pieces.

Page 2.

Page 1.

And this also came with an attractively red hard-bound certificate. (Too large for the scanner, so I have had to do some "cropping".)

And Munschke's ausweis for this medal.

And certificate to Generalmajor Ewald Munschke (1901-1981), 18 July 1956.

Hans-Beimler-Medaille

Interesting that it is on the full suspension, as worn by military personnel. The original "900" marked variety.

See also http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1245...imler&st=15 and following posts.