Ed_Haynes

R 47 -- Mongolian State University

As above. With the 1960-92 coat of arms. The post-1992 arms show up on R 85.

Those immensely complex and confusing "school diamonds" have their own thread, see:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6247

Thank you Ed.

I guess Photo 2 is obviously some sort of international friendship join Volleyball Competition from 1961

Surely could be. Have you gotten the legend translated?

Which one?

Will work on a reading of the whole bar . . .

Nice Mongolian "thread" riobbon bar, by the way. The first one I have seen. I associate them with West Asia.

Photo 1: Ohhhh . . . these "education diamonds" . . .

I have been avoidiung putting them up. Battushig shows some, including some he doesn't know (even now) and guesses there are 3 times the number "out there" (almost as bad as the aimag badges!).

I have no clue on the two in photo #1 - teh first one is 1960-92 and the second is post-1992, does that help?

Guess I should put mine up . . . ?

Photo 2 is obviously some sort of international friendship thing from 1961, buit what does the legend say??

Photo 3 is M 03, Outstanding Worker of Trade -- see: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10193&st=01

Have you ordered Battushig's book? Also, browsing the various threads here can be useful.

While I'd rather await those more expert than I, let me observe:

1- Rule #1 - "Buy the item, not the story." Without A LOT of proof (=documents), I run far and fast from anything with an obviously invented fantasy story like this one. While there were defectors (the play "Nanawati"/film "The Beast" has some roots in reality), most defectors were pretty promptly dealt with by Afghan women seeking badal/revenge.

2- The medal is, of course, a (fake) Hero of the Soviet Union. The ribbon bar is: October Revolution, Service to Motherland 3rd class, Service to Motherland 3rd class, Order of Glory, Bravery Medal, Bravery Medal, Lenin Centennial, Armed Forces Veteran (reversed), Armed Forces 70th Jubilee, 20 Years Service. This seems a fantasy of mammoth proportions.

Not very good at badges from memory, so I'll leave this for others.

Stinks, stinks, stinks.

Just my 30,000 Afghanis worth . . . Ed

Yes, lower right. But the JORDANIAN not HEJAZI variety, and on the wrong wribbon too.

See: http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showphoto.ph...big&cat=616

I have thoughts, but they aren't very encouraging. Shall await a more expert diagnosis.

I would not advise spending much money for this on the basis of the "medal" or the ribbon bar.

More to come, mate, more to come (although things over here have been VERY quiet!).

Interesting - would be good to figure put which films it appeared in!

Honestly, I am not sure the NUMBER alone does you any good at all. The regiment only would be better. Seems to me the price is high anyway, but that may just be me.

I find this very interesting. But I know a little about medals, and a little about history, but nothing about the narrowly fine points of architecture. Educate me?

It is hard to say. There was much confusion in this period (as there had been with the medal for the First Sikh War) over the unfortunate practice of issuing clasps without "ears" and then issuing subsequent catch-up clasps.

I would agree with your very logical scenario with the only possible hesitation lying in the chance that this may have been a post-research collector "restoration" by slipping a "harvested" clasp on a medal (some dealers seem to revel in providing these stripped clasps ). Yet the similarity of wear leads me to suspect this may well be period and that the two clasps have remained with the medal only by tremendous luck.

Personally I find the medal both very plausible and very nice. If I collected medals to natives (of the British Isles), I'd be most envious.

Lovely! Thanks!!

Very nice Chris What year did this take place?

Second Sikh War 7 Sep 1848-14 March 1849:

Chillianwala 13 Jan 1849

Goojerat 21 Feb 1849

(also clasp for Mooltan 7 Sep 1848-22 Jan 1849)

All mine are, of course, to Indians. See:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2400&st=4

and maybe I should add my singles to

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3510

(not here, I guess, as they weren't "British" )

ID requested and answer given over on the OMSA forum. See: http://www.omsa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1131 for cross-post. Reproduced here, FYI:

Morocco, Wissam al-Mehdawi / Order of Mehdi

To quote from http://faculty.winthrop.edu/haynese/medals/morocco.html item #7.

Wissam al-Mehdawi / Order of Mehdi -- Although created by the Moroccan rulers of Tetuan, this became an essentially Spanish colonial award, bestowed to reward actions that improved Moroccan-Spanish inter-cultural understanding. There are three separate varieties of the award, as detailed below. Established: By Sultan Mulay al-Mehdi bin Ismail, Khalifa of Teutan, 18 August 1926. Revised bu Vizirial Dahirs of 10 May 1937 and 6 August 1945. Obverse: A six-pointed gold dark- and light-blue enameled star. In the center, a golden sun rising from a green sea. Ribbon: Green with a white center stripe.

This seems to be the kinght's badge (lowest class) of the 1937-45 award (which would make sense. Higher class illustrated in http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=569 FYI.

Not sure I'd want to have been the Nazi wearing this award, though.

Nope, absolutely plain. Just goofy reflections of scan or deviant screen behavior? Or the kind of visual fantasy outbreaks to which collectors of Mongolian awards are prone? All that lovely enamel??

Yes, nice one. The attachment of second clasps on medals where the first clasp was "earless" is often an opportunity either for the second clasp to go walkabout or for the regimental blacksmith to practise weird and sometimes wonderful exercises of his craft.

The Sikh Wars -- like the medals for those campaigns -- are among the most understudied and underappreciated of the HEICo's outings. It is often ignored, for example, that the campaigns and the medals were not "crown", but "company" undertakings. And the First Sikh War represented the first use of clasps, though in as yet a "mixed" usage (first battle on medal, second on clasp; by the Second Sikh War, this system had come of age, only to die an ugly death late in the 20th century (in both India and the UK).

E 07b - For Success in Guarding, II

Dolf has shown some of these above.

See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10173&st=5

I just received one from one of our good forum friends that suggests more complexity in these E 07 badges than we have assumed.

Dolf's examp[les are on-target with the ones shown by Battushig, with medium blue backing on the second class' tablet where the "II" appears and gold-yellow on the "III".

This one has white on the tablet behind the "II".

Differences by branch, unit, or ???

While I'll defer to greater experts, I think we need to be careful with their early commemorative (table) medals. In many cases, they were mounted and worn, so they straddle the two worlds of numismatics and phaleristics. At least with the ones I study (India-related), the threshold is not as exact as we sometimes think it is. An interesting evolutionary moment?

Oh . . . nice . . . .

I have no doubt that these are original and legitimate medals. It is just their "group" status that bothers me.

Once again, your encyclopedic knowledge wows me.

Not mine, mate, wish it were , but largely that of http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/ -- credit where credit is due, you know.

The others are nice, though!

And looking, the mounting bar is a four-holer. Some faker saving money??