Ed_Haynes

BUT, according to the resources we have, we can conclude that the man who had been awarded can transfer orders to his son who also is serving in the army after die. But there is no North Korea official document confirm it. So it can explain this situation.

Very interesting, Tang Tongzi. But can they be worn? Does that transfer financial and other benefits (whatever they may be?) or does that transfer a right to wear? I really doubt it is the latter. Add that to the long list of things we don't know about DPRK awards? And, of course, until this practice is documented (what IS the evidence?), we can' say or assume anything, and it may just fall into the same legally and ethically gray category as Australians wearing grand-dad's gongs on Anzac Day?

But isn't "the situation" here simply that you put these awards onto the tunic??

Nice eye-candy, zero history.

Or put it another way, if a 2nd Lt really is entitled to all that then they are pretty meaningless in terms of what they signify. Also, they must be extremely plentiful so you can expect a nice plunge in prices once the barriers come down !

Nice thought, Paul!

I know, but they aren't lieutenants. High-rankers, sure, low-rankers, ?????

This looks to me like a fantasy entitlement. An inventive way of displaying medals (perhaps), but historically deceptive.

Is that Hero yours ED????

Well, "mine"? No. But it is currentlly in my custody. The owner (the recipient) is dead. And I do not believe I would dispute with him the ownership of his award.

See http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4229&st=17 and following posts

Ed

Thanks again for your help, and the link. That is a very interesting website. I think I will send Senor Barrio an email inquiry to see what exactly he thinks of this bar.

Regards,

Mark

Good idea, Antonio is a great guy!

Yet, when you see it in the pair with its "cousin" (with that same enamel repair on the "hero" that looks so much worse scanned than it does in reality!) . . .

And even the scan doesn't do it justice

I dare you, OoV, or anyone with a soul, to resist this:

Mark,

It has been so long since I have seen one of these Spanish bars, that I'd have to see it or, better, ask an expert (once you know the REAL order).

The best online source for Spanish medal information is, of course, Antonio Prieto Barrio's at http://www.coleccionesmilitares.com/medallas/index.htm (and, actually, he shows a somewhat similar bar on his page!).

Ed

War booty and plunder?

A fascinating bar, though it seems to have been mounted (mounted-up?) by someone who thinks only the Spanish Civil War ever happened. Sure you guys know the first two items.

The Order of St. Hermengild (#3) was created in 1814 as the preeminent order for military merit (it became, in essence, a long-service award for officers).

The Medalla Militar de Maurruecos (Military Medal for Morocco), 1916 (the last item), carried clasps for Tetu?n, Larache, and Melilla.

While I am, off the cuff, unsure on official Spanish award ranking, I'd assume this should be #3, #2, #4, #1 in proper order. Makes me worry about possible "group" mismounting by someone who had only heard of the civil war. Nice individual medals, though.

No offense, but having this hidden as if it was a set of Third Reich awards meant it took me much longer to find this, as I rarely bother look in in this area.

What's with the first one without a number?

An enamel and precioussssss metal overdose, for sure!

The one without a number? It is numbered. The number was not posted. At the request of the source. Sorry.

The Sukbaatar may well the the sexiest order around.

It is what "hooked" me onto Mongolian stuff.

I hope the "new Mongolia" keeps it, even in its current ugly form.

Mine, ranging from the utterly sublime to the completely ridiculous.

(Took a while to get them to behave on the scanner surface -- rather like the historical Sukhbaatar?)

Weights (screw plate removed):

1- Screwback, #_ - 56.7 g

2- Screwback, #158 - 55.3 g

3- Screwback, #423 - 56.85 g

4- Pinback, #1726 - 58.7 g

5- Nasty brassy, no # - 61.2 g

Nice, they even look lovely in crowds.

Friendly bit of advice: if you are going to spend money on Mongolian awards, I'd suggest you spend your first $ on buying Dr B's bible!

Let me second this. But the problem now is that it seems to be out of print. Haven't seen a dealer listing it lately and I got one of the author's last remaining (unnumbered) copies (autographed ) this summer. There are no plans for a reprint or a second edition.

And, I might add, after finding, buying, and reading Battushig, spend some time grazing the various threads here. Through the collective efforts exerted here, we have provided the best one-stop-shopping for post-Battushig information on Mongolian awards.

Badge of the Title of Merit (Battushig A 8)

See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5056

(I think: the images haven't loaded fully YET!)

Sorry, but even with a cable modem, the download times from your image hoster are too slow to see much more than a sliver of wallpaper. I tremble for forum members on dial-up connections! Again I ask: why not add these images, normally, on the forum site?

Back to the Soyombo... could it be, like the SB, ORB, PS, etc. that there is just a more recent "cheaper" version of it being awarded?

A good question. I think it is quite possible that there may be a cheap post-Socialist variety out there. But it is just that we don't know of anyone who has seen one yet. When such a badge is spotted in Mongolia it will be interesting news. But when such a badge comes from a neighboring country to the south, a country which has come to challenge Latvia for the Faker's Non-Hero Star, I worry.

Good guess, OoV, but the asserted name doesn't "work" anywhere.

I have the strong suspicion that there are also fake Gold Soyombo's in circulation. Have been offered one directly for sale (different photographs which were clearly not of the same item) and there is now also one for sale on soviet-awards.com that has sparked my suspicion

I would agree, I have recently seen some that did not sit well.

CAUTION (not paranoia) is now very much in order, friends.

Ed do you remember this one?

It was offered to me for $700 , but in the end I didn't end up buying it.

It just smelled funny!

Here are the pictures I was sent by the seller.

JC

Yes, JC, EXACTLY. It is really, really interesting how a totally unknown badge stays unknown until, suddenly, several samples come forth. And NOT from any familiar source (and especially NOT from the Central Bank).

If you wonder where that odd smell comes from, look to this badge.

I wish I were wrong, but when you see it there is little doubt.

A fascinating group. If legit, quite a story. While way out of my field, I the absence of a clasp on the Canadian Vol Service would give me pause.

And mounted in Canadian order of wearing . . . ??

I have doubts that any of the documents match the badges. When you see it, there is no doubt about that phoney fantasy Internal Security badge. Very coarse construction.