Ed_Haynes

Nice. Clearly, not something out of unissued stocks!

Nice.

maybe a stupid thought, but it looks like the back silver structure of the yougoslav communst hero of socialist labor... put the red stones, gold crown and a new center and that's done!

That was my thought too. :confused:

Correct. But, with the document, you'll at least know (1) to whom it was awarded and (2) whether it belongs in any group to which it is attributed. And that is a lot better than nothing. Otherwise, it is merely an orphaned "thing".

I assume you meant 1985 jubilee OPWs?

Of course - doh.

Unless you have the document, dead end. At least for now. Maybe someday . . . ??

Thank you Ed.

Could I ask why "Research for 1985 ORBs of course remains impossible"?

Many thanks

Steiner

Because if these jubilee pieces were ever recorded (which is debatable), they are certainly not in the central archives. Some suspect they were recorded only locally.

With staffing cuts at the archives (as everywhere?), the "inside" contacts have turned over and new relationships have had to be forged. Moody archival superiors have apparently also played a role in this. Also, The Researcher has been distracted by other activities (such as life).

Rumors of the death of research, the closing of the archives, that Putin is really a space alien are untrue (except, perhaps, the last one).

Rumors and assertions of other research sources (beyond the two well known ones) seem to be fantasy, though some on the forum speak confidently of other options. If true, this information will, apprently, not be shared with mere mortals.

Research for 1985 ORBs OPWs [doh!] of course remains impossible, but everything else is -- in theory -- as it has been, though MUCH slower.

I think that you are making a mountain out of a mole hill

Doc

There is baggage, Doc. Much baggage.

The fact that he has a defence medal doesn't necesarily mean he was recalled to active service with the home guard he could have been a member of the ARP or one of many other organization which qualified for "just" the defence medal

True. Good point. I gather many of these records are graduuuuaaaaallllllyyyyyy being released. Maybe someday we'll know.

Thank you Ed, better to be safe than sorry. I have passed this on to Leigh to discuss with the others. However it would seem that only posting a cropped view of the front of the card if it is related to an enquiry would be OK as Ancestry.co.uk are the only ones to publish both side in one view.

Regards,

Mike

No, the main (US-based) ancestry site also makes it available. The assertion of such restrictive copyright over public archives is an interesting and even quaint issue. I have been helping the Indian Council on Historical Records raise this, as "Crown Copyright" is asserted over records in London, but if you consult the same identical records in New Delhi, what possible rights does HM retain?!

I was merely trying to help the original poster. I would have preferred a ruling by the forum management, but . . . .

Ed, A typical gung-ho reply from you. As a person that is supposed to protect the interests of the forum I would have thought you would have taken the appropriate action yourself and cropped the view to just the front of the card.

I was trying to assist the Forum from falling foul of legal action.

But who am I ?

Mike

Fair enough. I had wanted the forum management to decide on their legal liability. Neithe I (not you) can make that decision. It makes me sorry I tried to help

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As the management is British, they may delete it if they wish. I am not a Crown subject.

I leave it up to them.

The whole assertion of "Crown Copyright" over archives is complex and, in any case, one does not wish to get the forum in trouble. Nick??

There was, I think, a great deal of variability in how the French tunics and their insigniae were treated. They were, after all, an exotic British import (which must have been embarassing enough just at that level).

Closeup.

Nice one. Makes me recall:

His MIC shows little, but lets us know (as we pretty much knew) that these are his complete medals for the Great War. And, more importantly, that his name was Malcolm.

[image deleted. God save the Queen.]

Yes, Royal Engineers. Rank is Sapper, the RE equivalent of a Private.

He obviously was recalled for WWII service, almost certainly as Home Guards with the Defence Medal. Those records are just now coming available at the archives.

Much information is available online. Others will probably beat me to it.

Real? In any way official? No, of course not. Real? Did someone make and sell them? In an world of uncontrolled capitalism, of course. Are they collectible? Not for me, maybe for others. Whoever will pay cash for them?

Thank you gentlemen. . .

I guess I got lucky obtaining this 1st Class Order in what was ostensibly a batch of 2nd Class Orders. . .

Given the current situation at the archive, is anybody receiving any research lately? I know I'm not. . .

Research is dead, dead, dead. I was told (by phone) that "a package was on the way", but who knows what it was/will be.

It is said (close quotes) that the research staff changeover is resolved (mostly). We shall see . . . .

Pinback, right?

Yes, but as the '85s can't be traced . . .

This may be why they ended up as the only nation in modern times to agree to unconditional surrender after their thousand-year plan disintegrated in just twelve years. Of course, the Aryans came from India...

Alfred Rosenberg sort of believed that . . . what a hash of history he made.

Fascinating. Nice to see that even the "Master Race" could be a bumbling and inefficient as any other complex sytem.

Is it at all possible (within possible legal limits) to present facts and not just personal attacks or vague assertions?

Scans of medals? Names of fakers? Dates of transactions? Facts. (And can someone use their real name?)

Personal attacks and political attacks have no place here. I do not have the power to lock the thread or to officially caution (re-caution?) posters, but I think it is becoming necessary.