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      Gone mad on Brit lately....

      in Great Britain: Orders, Gallantry, Campaign Medals

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      As a Muslim, Allah Dad's medals would probably have been issued by Pakistan. I am not sure how they treated WWII KIAs with regard to medal entitlement. Without references, I cannot remember -- all those mental swiss-cheese holes -- which side the 1/16th went, Pakistan or India.

      If, as I suspect, his WWII medals would have been issued (if they ever were issued) by Pakistan, then they'd be unnamed as all other Pakistani WWII medals were. Unlike India, Pakistan followed British fashion and issued these awards unnamed. Thios opens up tremendous range for the assembly-line faking of Pakistani "groups": take a Pakistan Medal and IGS 36 pair, stuff in unnamed WWII stars (available by the kilo in Rawalpindi), and SHAZAAM a "group"!

      If I had my copy of Gaylor here, on the road, with me, I'd be able to detail the service and destination of the 1/16th, though that does not guarantee that Allah Dad did all his regiment did. But Michael has already summarised this for you.

      Also, I should soon be able to check the casualty register, which often gives more details on KIAs.

      Nice one.

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      Banning of US awards?

      in United States of America

      Posted

      Back in August 2005, when this was getting started, I posted on the OMSA site the following and repeat it here:

      Some sites to ponder:

      http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/communicating.htm

      http://www.portsmouthchamber.org/howtocommunicate.cfm

      http://www.rmfc.org/frg05.html

      http://www.ooida.com/call_to_action/congcomm.htm

      (While I may or may not like any of these sources, they do have good advice on tugging congressional chains!)

      As Congressman Salazar has his fingerprints all over this, you might want to write him, regardless of where you live. But do include your congressman too.

      Do your homework: http://thomas.loc.gov/

      H.R. 3352, "Solen Valor Act of 2005": http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...h3352ih.txt.pdf

      Please at least read the bill. Some of the cheery and comforting words we have read here simply do NOT match with the legislation.

      See if any congressman from your state is a co-sponsor and, even if not your district, write him/her. Many (most) co-sponsor bills without even reading them. (And, if you have the time and energy, write all the co-sponsors.)

      It has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. http://judiciary.house.gov/ Find out if anyone from your state is on the committee and write them too. (Or, then, maybe just write the entire committee?!) Find out when/if they have hearings set on H.R. 3352 (commit that to memory, NOW) and if no one else does it, OMSA members in and around the DC area should scheduled up to testify before the committee (our officers and board should do this, but...!!).

      To target (no pun intended) the right folks: http://clerk.house.gov/members/index.html

      We need to get our collective act together here, friends.

      Now . . . to work on my letters. (And remember: keep it short, keep it targeted, keep it focused!) Visits are better than phone calls, phone calls are better than faxes, faxes are better than letters, letters are better than e-mails, e-mails are better than complacent silence.

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      Banning of US awards?

      in United States of America

      Posted · Edited by Ed_Haynes

      Getting this mixed up with rants about gun control may not help, at all, and may well be divisive, but this is important, and the phoney flag-wrapped patriots are in full cry on this one. And congressional sheep follow movement.

      Let me just repeat what I said :off topic: over on the other thread:

      This is a politically driven over-reaction by a few grandstanding elected officials to unfounded paranoia and misplaced patriotism. The fear is that pitiful Walter Mitty sorts would claim medals to which they were not entritled. (OK, one of them saw a stupid movie where the main characters claim to have won the Purple Heart in order to pick up gilrs -- as if anyone in the US would know what the Purple Heart was!) Additionally, there is a move to return all US medals to the recipients or their families (even if you could determine who these "proper" people are and assuming they hadn't sold off the medals in the first place).

      Unfortunately, in the US today, anything you wrap up as "patriotism", the Fools on the Hill will swallow without reading the legislation. Baah-baah. And especially with elections coming . . . .

      The danger is that we will return to the old days where sale of any US medal was prohibited (but you could "trade": a used postage stamp plus some cash -- wink-wink). The FBI has also pulled off a couple of sting operations to trap naughty MoHs so they can give them to politically favoured private "museums". The last OMSA I attended, the men with ear wires and bulges in their armpit were there seeking illegal medals. Now, if Osama only had a MoH . . . .

      I'm very glad I don't collect US medals except for some family items (that I don't see as "collecting"). Yet I don't have signed receipts from my great-grandfather, my uncle, or my father, transferring title of their medals to me. So when can I except the konck on the door . . . ??

      See: http://www.omsa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=373 (and other threads over there)

      The OMSA has taken action. Some. Doubt if it will make much difference. We need a "doorknock" campaign on the hill to counter the well funded phoney patriot-idiots who are happy with a flag-draped police state.

      No, I don't collect US medals. But I do care INTENSELY.

      And do remember that others are watching: Canada, Australia, Great Britain, and New Zealand; some there want similar legislation. Russia pretty much has a law banning Soviet/Russian medal collecting already.

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      So... the hype is over?

      in People's Republic Mongolia

      Posted

      Ah . . . so the addiction lives on, Rick? :P

      Yes, a bubble is passing. The massive deluge of unissued specimens from the state bank in Ulanbaatar and the early shake-out from UB-based dealers has passed. In large part, Battushig's book produced that. A good reference in a previously unknown field, coupled with the availability by the kilo -- literally -- of most awards has generated a strange market.

      It is, I think, stablizing, especially as most Mongolian collecting to date has been not much more than type collecting. As you tick off the types on your checklist, you have the ONE you need and need no more. Likewise, the emergence of large numbers of collectors in Russia (many in out of the mainstream places like Irkutsk) has sucked up most of the supply that comes to market.

      If/when research becomes possible, and hopes remain high on that front, things will change again. At the very least, we'll probably be able to distinguish between awarded items and surplus flushed from the state bank.

      Think of this in terms of the history Soviet collecting from the 1970s or 1980s until the present, but with a good reference book already in hand. And then factor in the very small numbers of Mongolian awards, especially as compared to their Soviet cousins.

      It has been an interesting few months and it will be an even more interesting few years.

      My 2000 tugriks worth . . . :beer:

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      Awards from Manchukuo

      in Japan

      Posted

      Bob: Shall do so, when I get back from my travels in early August. Will post many other things too. :jumping:

      Moderators: While we have a fascinating thread here, with many lovely things, should it not be moved to the World or even Other Axis sub-forum. Manchuquo has nothing to do with Mongolia (Outer or Inner). OK, they both start with an "M".

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      SOVIET RUSSIAN JEWELERS MADE ORDER OF THE PATRIOTIC WAR

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      I can imagine it being made in the DDR after 1945 for some Friendly Eastern Neighbor serving on occupation duty protecting the DDR. Maybe someone just didn't like screwback awards making holes in their pretty uniform?

      I cannot see the "German intelligence" argument as anything more than an eBay seller's fantastic lie. If German troops working behind Soviet lines wore such fake orders, awards that would scream out "Nazi", then I can understand even more so why Germany lost the war.

      If this was intended to fool the collecting market (assuming they didn't swallow the "German intelligence" rubbish), I can't imagine anyone except a Third Reich collector, straying into Soviet awards with total ignorance, being fooled.

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      Order of the Badge of Honor

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      OK, OK - I'm wrong. Do not even pay attention at my words...

      I do not even have a desire to argue with you :D

      Personally, I value your opinion. Yet to just say "they are fakes" -- implicitly just because you say so -- leaves the discussion incomplete. Why do you think they are fakes? Just this bold and unsupported statement means little. This leads into the phoney expert "it is a fake because I say so" self-important attitude that poisons so many online fora.

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      Polar star serial changed?

      in People's Republic Mongolia

      Posted

      Ed,

      Yes, interesting and very reasonable theory indeed!

      Thanks "Dr. Holmes",

      Dolf :beer:

      It is just that, from my research here in India, I have been struck by the constant and ongoing stream of requests for replacement medals. Replacement medals for the 1857 "Mutiny" (and even for earlier campaigns) were being requested as late as the 1930s. They were a real nuisance to the government and one reason they eventually decided to "lose" the medal rolls. I can't imagine that Indians lost their medals at a higher rate than anyone else . . . ??

      And, by the way, it is Mr. Holmes and Dr. Watson. :P

      Cheers :beer:

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      Polar star serial changed?

      in People's Republic Mongolia

      Posted

      OK, let me try to figure this out:

      We have here a clearly and obviously renumbered Polar Star. I can't imagine that it was seriously done to defraud anyone. (But, then, some of the messed-with orders books we've seen would fool nobody either.)

      Theory: A replacement award by the central bank. Comrade Bold loses his Polar Star and asks for a replacement. Rather than dig out an unnumbered specimen (or had they all come already numbered, thanks to the Friendly Northern Neighbor? I suspect so), you can just remove a number from a badge already in stock and add the number for Comrade Bold's lost badge. Bold is happy, the central bank strikes a number off the rolls as a renumbered replacement award, and confusion for collectors a few decades later is set in motion.

      How is that for a guess?

      Just my two (thousand) tugriks worth . . .

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      herder badges ...

      in People's Republic Mongolia

      Posted · Edited by Ed_Haynes

      As for solid silver and silverplated variations I confess I was never able to really detect the differences between them either! :unsure:

      All you need to do is squint (with a magnifying lens?) at the numbering. See if it cuts into brass/bronze or silver the internal composition is made clear.

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