Ed_Haynes

I have one, but it may be too easy . . . .

Fascinating . . . good trip, Chuck!

The only ones I have are in the Dvornikova group, discussed over at

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7234

I love the bar you hav, Ed

I just wish I could determine that it was legitimate! All research has come up empty. Is that good or bad??

Thanks Ed

So the differences between Post #1 and Post #85 are?... (as you say "additionS" I suppose you found both )

Dolf

Is there a prize . . . ????

Nice additions!

Oh . . . . . . and just when you thought you were free of this "group"!

A type 3?

See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2456

Yeah, since you'll never know that they match up -- absent solid provenance, and then you'll only have a strong belief -- I too tend to view the unnumbered medal as a specimen and the corresponding certificate as a ("a" not "the") document to the corresponding medal. To turn that around, you can prove (by document) that Comrade "A" was awarded the "B"; what you can never know (not even, to be honest, with the most solid provenance) is whether the "B" that you have with it is his "B". It is so much easier with named and numbered medals. Provenance (and old original mounting) increases the odds, but never to 100%. Documented unnumbered medals that come paired-up from the friendly dealers should never, I think, be seem as anything other than a "marriage", as a sum of their parts.

Yes, there are pepole out there willing to do that. Some of them infest eBay, where you would expect them. They are of course not allowed among serious collectors, at medal fairs or elsewhere. They are one of the lowest forms of scum, sub-human fakers and fraudsters. They're out there doing their bit to line their pockets while destroying our hobby.

As they all look the same, I see absolutely no reason to post my (undocumented ) pair. The legit documents are, to my experiernce, far rarer than the badges (though they have recently, and strangely, skyrocketed in price).

I am not sure what endless threads of identical (non-varietal) posts acomplish (expect to shout "I have one too" -- big whoopie.)

Yes, father and son? Nice!!

Interesting. A tiny tiny unit, so . . . ? Interesting also that the seller shows the original specifications. Am I getting overly suspicious in my old age? If legitimate, immensely rare.

I hoped that the ORS would shed light on this group.

I think the Red Star does shed light on the "group", and an ugly, sickly light it is.

Paul is right, it seems on the surface to be a plausible group. Without relevant completed documents (which, for that era, are so commonly faked!) it is hard to say much more. The fact that it has the "internationalist warrior" blank document and no others (which are harder to find blank or real) does not strike me as a good sign. Yet, without evidence, I guess it becomes a matter of belief?

Thanks for proposition, Dave! But we already made an agreement with Ed. Tomorrow I'll send him a picture.

Andrew.

Yes, Andrew has been a true gentleman on this. Many public thanks!

See:

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/JK1908.htm

http://www.medals.lava.pl/at/at1.htm

http://www.netdialogue.com/yy/Europe/Austr...e/60FJ/60FJ.htm

A wide number of popular "hint" books were published. What era are you looking for?

Part of the answer -- at least so everyone says -- is the entry into the market of a fair number of rich Russian "collectors" (= "investors") with very, very, very deep pockets, the source of whose wealth does not bear close examination. They are, or so it is said, sucking up much high-end and even not-so-high-end Soviet material. The awards are flowing back to the Motherland.

Ed asked if it would be on the market. If you are interested I can just trade it for similar picture of the other Nevsky or any 3rd class "polkovodets" cavalier.

Thanks, but of no help to me. I do not collect photos or have any or even seek them (not as I'd know where to start looking). Should one drop into my hands by accident, you'll surely hear from me. As least I know the photo that belongs with the group is, as they said in the X-Files, "out there", even if split from his medals and paperwork. There are rumors, also, that other paperwork and photos and such for this man are "out there". (In Area 51 methinks.)

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Comrades: That distinctive "kaboing" you just heard is the ball landing squarely in your court. Help!

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