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Reverse of Ushakov.

This group has been presented, in brief, before. See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6981 As I am now hosting it, I am putting it up in more (if duplicate) detail.

The group is to two peope, husband and wife. As it came to me, it was pretty intermingled. As I have sorted it apart (properly, I hope), I have drawn some inferences that I hope are corect, but I may need to resort these two groups. While it is documented (though not 100%) and (partially) researched, there are no translations, so the linguistic ice beneath my feet gets very thin here and I need help.

His.

Medals:

Red Star - 3311820

Red Star - 3513892

Ushakov Medal - 14598

Medal for Combat Service - 2627284

Medal for Combat Service - unnumbered

Andreas: Thanks for the correction! I shall update.

Rick: Thanks. The referenced Hesse file was not locatable, though I shall try again this summer. All rather moot as by 1915, no one was allowed to wear these things anyway, but it does give us a good picture of pre-1914 royal gong-giving. (And explain why the occasional odd Prussian medal surfaces in the "Old Counttry"!)

Prussian Awards, 1911

During the tour of the Prussian Crown Prince (son of Kaiser Wilhelm II) in India in 1911, awards were -- of course -- presented. While all of these would become naughty and unwearable within three years, it is worth recording these awards here.

A very good piece on the medal of the Order of the Crown, aber auf Deutsch: http://www.medalnet.net/crown_medal.htm

prussia.pdf

I have tried to send out "scouts" to see about him, see if he was still alive, get a photo of him and his group, etc. My guess is that he would have gone to Pakistan, and disappeared. Will follow up.

Others (see reference below):

USA awards to Indians in WWII:

Distinguished Service Cross: (the medal and another site and another)

23253 Sepoy Sher Ali, Indian Army (???) - LG 30 May 1946

Silver Star: (the medal and another site)

589 Naik Balbir Pun, 3/6th GR - LG 25 January 1945

4939 Havildar Deolal Pun, 3/6th GR - LG 8 November 1945

IO-13178 Subadar Thangarajh, Indian Army (???) - LG 30 May 1946

18400 Lance/Naik Harnam Singh, 2nd Punjab - LG 23 July 1948

IO-50364 Jemadar Gurnam Singh, Frontier Force Regiment - LG 25 March 1949

30499 Sepoy Kirpa Singh, 3/8th Punjab - LG 29 July 1949

Bronze Star: (the medal and another site)

Rifleman Bandebir Thapa, 8th GR - LG 5 April 1945

IO-28025 Subadar Mian Khan, Indian Army (???) - LG 30 May 1946

21097 Sepoy Seemurgh Khan, Indian Army (???) - LG 30 May 1946

IO-47712 Jemadar Abaji Bhonsle, 5th Maratha LI - LG 15 August 1946

IO-9001 Subadar Shara Khan, 10th Baluch - LG 15 July 1947

IO-26814 Subadar Pahalman Sing Gurung, 2nd GR - LG 15 July 1947

IO-11195 Subadar-Major (acting) Baliram Thapa, Indian Amy (???) - LG 14 May 1948

12509 Sepoy Bishan Singh, 15th Punjab - LG 23 July 1948

Subedar Harbans Lal Gulati,RIASC - LG 19 November 1949

A-8192 Lance/Dafadar Rura Singh, Indian Army (???) - LG 28 January 1949

23489 Lance/Naik Jai Singh, Indian Army (???) - LG 28 January 1949

A-6509 Lance/Naik Mehr Singh, Indian Army (???) - LG 28 January 1949

24242 Sapper Atma Singh, Indian Army (???) - LG 28 January 1949

MTN-944024 Sepoy Parmeshari Pershad, Indian Army (???) - LG 28 January 1949

IO-7260 Subadar Major Pehlwan Khan, Sardar Bahadur, OBI, Indian Pioneer Corps - LG 25 March 1949

11231 Havildar Gheba Khan, 3/8th Punjab - LG 25 March 1949

3155 Subadar Major Nadan Singh, Bahadur, OBI, 1st Jaipur Infantry - LG 29 July 1949

20293 Lance/Havildar Suraj Nath Upadhya, Indian Engineers - LG 29 July 1949

Medal of Freedom, bronze palm:

EC-110066 Major Anker Rentse, Special List (ex Indian Army) - LG 10 March 1950 (???)

From Jeff Floyd's two-volume work. (Which is not the best indexed book in the universe.)

Others? More detail?

Shown above, but not found in Floyd's book:

DHANKAJI GURUNG-67671-L/NAIK-2/6GR-ITALY- -SILVER STAR (USA)-

RIKIRAM ALE- -JEMADAR-3/6GR-BURMA ?- -SILVER STAR (USA)-IOM, BURMA

RATNABAHADUR THAPA-5548-L/NAIK-2/10GR-ITALY- -BRONZE STAR (USA)-

There were also a few Bronze Star awards to Indians for Korea, but Indian policy did not allow their acceptace.

For eye- candy:

PAHALMANSING GURUNG, 2GR. Bronze star is named on reverse.

MBE - 2/2 GR, 1956

IDSM - 1937 - NWF - Chhina p. 234

Bronze Star announced to Supplement to LG 15 July 1947, p. 3319

[From The Gurkha Museum]

(For more details see - http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=242 - where MUCH more info is given.)

Yes . . . research seens highly advisable . . . yes it does

Is there a specific or dedicated room to receive these ?

Ch.

These just happen to be a couple of the stalwarts in the unit my friend is "advising" who got this award. Photos taken "in the field".

Not sure. Will check. Would guess he died from influenza.

Will also see if the 56th is low on Delhi Gate and try to snap a photo of his entry this summer. It is my understanding they have been photographing the whole thing so getting images will be easier.

That is a bummer! I was hoping to find some example someday! Are these made of solid gold?

No, alas. The early ones (1954-72) were silver (900) gilt, with the later ones (1973-89) are delicately described by Bartel as "Buntmetall goldfarben"; I'd not have been so generous. No where near as sexy as their Soviet (or Bulgarian, beyond that I cannot say) siblings.

Still . . . i like 'em. Have another one, a singleton, which I'll post when I get it home to visit.

Another recipient.

It is incredibly UGLY-- like something from the Middle East!

Not much is known about the awards of the current Afghan government. Some projects are known to be underway, but it is unclear what may actually exist.

Here's what little I know.

1- Baryal Medal

The highest award. Not much else known. Described as a ?. . . medal wrapped in a dark red velvet fringed cloth. The small gold medallion bears a torch and laurel leaf design on the front.? Known to have been awarded posthumously on 20 August 2003 to US citizen Brett Thorpe for his services as a contracted bodyguard to President Karzai. Thorpe died of a heart attack while serving in this role. He was the first American to receive this honor.

2- Jalal al-Din al-Afghan Medal

he second highest award, not much else known. Awarded 25 November 2004 to the three UN hostages held in Kabul. See http://www.voanews.com/english/2004-11-25-voa22.cfm.

3- Heart of the Lion Medal

Awarded to the Afghan Security Forces that work with the US. Thanks to John Bristow (thanks John!), here is one of the recipients of the newly created medal on the day they were first awarded in March 2006.

As a kindred spirit . . . thanks for sharing, Rick!

Like my over-documented Mecky group, I'm not sure what smiley to put up. None might be best.

But -- and some just may never understand -- this is why we study these things.

Hi Ed ,

you,ll have to forgive me as i am completly new to east german awards , is the hero of work a rare award if so approx. how many were issued ?

It was the DDR equivalent of the Soviet Gold Star "Hero of Labor". Pretty high, yes. Numbers? I do not know, sorry. Wish I did.

I have a general interest (sub-interest?) in labor awards of the broadly defined "socialist" world (and a few isolated intererest islands in DDR, to be shown later, over there). This group was in my interest zone and a nice opportunity, so it has come to live with me now.

This complete and fully documented group has already been discussed, over on the "Soviet and Eastern Bloc" forum, but, if DDR is indeed welcomed, I thought I might cross-reference it here:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2455

If there is any interest, I could post these items here, but as they're already up there, it seems needless duplication. Just so you know what awaits you, I quote from the first post and attach the group scan.

1- Hero of Work

2- Verdienstmedaille der Deutsche Demokratische Republik

3- Verdienter Techniker des Volkes

4- Verdienstmedaille der Zivilverteidigung

5- Verdeinter Aktivist

6- Aktivist des Siebenjahreplans 1961

7- Aktivist des Siebenjahreplans 1965

8- Aktivist des Siebenjahreplans 1966

9- Aktivist des Siebenjahreplans [1968]

10- Arthur-Becker-Medaille I

11- Arthur-Becker-Medaille II

12- Arthur-Becker-Medaille III (suspension clasp only)

While I think we are getting close, until we have a large sample size of legitimate numbered and dated certificates (strangely, the badges won't matter so much unless we have a varietal issue) I don't think we'll be able to make many supported assertions here, one way or the other. Yes, Jan is right, that we do have some preliminary evidence. But that's what it is, "preliminary". Somewhere I'd guess there is a thick ledger of all these numbered things, with number, date, and name, all in neat order. Gotta look for THAT.

Jan is absolutely right. Thanks for posting these.

There may be some disturbing -- and unnecessary -- things going on.

Rarely do I consider a "group" to be much more than an asserted group. While we need to know much more about serial number date linkages, I, too, would view that "group" with some caution. Maybe no more than the sum of its parts (and a dubious award book?).

The "We Won" is more disturbing. The mismatch between a medal and its document is unfortunately familiar, but the steps that may have been taken here are a source of concern. Every "We Won" document I have seen has the number rendered as shown below, and what Jan shows is a cause for significant concern.

Sure, we have all seen documents on which the ink has run or where there are corrections, but those items earlier in this thread transcend these natural events. Untimately, these unnatural practices are simply not required and I hope those responsible cut it out!

Run a train station that visiting Royals arrive in and collect hardware??

Hi! Yes, without knowing such things as nationality, era, branch of service, etc., it is hard to suggest how to proceed.

Thanks, Grant.

Is this intended just for the de-Nazified Third Reich awards, or is it wider? Grant, you suggest that DDR might be welcome too. Am I correct? I had thought the discussion that led up to the forum focused on BRD and especially TR remakes. Don't want to go where I'm not welcome, you know . . . .

If it is part of the scope here, I can put up some DDR things, but . . . .