Ed_Haynes

BADGE OF THE TITLE ?PEOPLE?S? . . .

Type 1 (pre-1975 arms?); 19??-75

(A 7.1) Type 2.1 (post-1975 arms, light blue center, silver rays); 1975-??

(A 7.2) Type 2.2 (post-1975 arms, darker blue center, gilt rays); ?????

(A 8/M 47) THE TITLE OF MERIT

Type 1 (pre-1975 arms?); 19??-75

Type 2.1 (numbered); Low = 0008, High = 789; 1975-??

Type 2.2 (unnumbered); ?????

Subject to correction, expansion, revision.

Funny thing about these Medals is that on the picture shown on Herfurth Catalogue (at least on the 2004 edition I have) the piece shown has 14 of those silver "rings" around the Medal, but on every other piece I've seen, including Dr. Battushig's pic A 6.4, or mine, this piece "only" has 10 of those silver "rings" around it!

Different types or variations?!...

Dolf

Good question. Actually, I don't have Herfurt. Guess it should some day.

What I show on these:

(A 6) STATE PRIZE (CHOIBALSAN PRIZE); 1945-62

STATE PRIZE

(A 6.2/M 48) Type 1.1 (silver and copper); 1962-70

(A.6.3) Type 1.2 (silver and brass); 1962-70

(A 6.4) Type 2.1 (enameled center, 10 rings); 1970-??

Type 2.2 (enameled center, 14 rings??); ?????

As always, subject to revision and comment.

Yes, just putting up a closeup. There seems to be no relationship between types and numbers, though.

The numbering on mine. At 6-o'clock.

Agree about the odd lack of numbers, you'd think something named after "Big C" himself would have been numbered! This means we'll never be able to link these back to people. Sad. Even the Title "People's" Badges won't be linkable, as they, too, are unnumbered. Just the lower-level Title of Merit badges hold out any research hope.

I suspect many of the "primary medal harvesters" do not know what this one is, and it is really not as sexy looking as many others. What is represents historically is quite important, though it must have been issued in small numbers. Surprised by the low-level quality, with a very recent feel to it. We need to know more!

Wish I had one . . . envy . . . .

Personally, I'd not frame them. Framing is, long-term, always a really really bad idea if you desire preservation. I'd get archival quality plastic sleeves.

I like http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com/ though there are many similar firms out there.

Ed,

Thanks. As it was posted by Rick I didn't realize it was yours

Nice one!

Dolf

It wasn't then, it is now (thanks, Rick! -- it HAS gone to a good and loving home).

Ed,

Which post?

Dolf

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4519&st=27

and following

My pinback is the same one shown at the head of this thread.

Interesting points Ed......... is there any documentation out there as to how many of these guys actually fought?

I keep looking. The whole events gets so wrapped up in the ongoing revolutionary re-writing of history that it is hard to sort things out (especially as Choibalsan contrived to write Sukhbaatar, Demid, and all others out of history after their, ahem, "untimely deaths"). The raids on Khaigt and Urga do come across as a couple of short nasty horseback actions, kind of a "Ghengis-Khan Moment".

Oh, very nice. Thanks for the eye-candy. These civilian groups have so much history behind them!

Thanks for this, Jan. You are right, this could prove useful.

I think there is a clear distinction between Terguunii-distinguished and Avarga-champion.

Now, as to what the award criteria were for each, I have no idea

Jan

I think so too, but what? One more thing for the growing list of questions? Is it merely a change in terminology over time? The issue is worse with the herder badges, even if you don't add in the provincial badges.

I so love complexity . . . .

PS- I find these implicit "numbers issued" interesting, as, historically, there weren't more that 500 partisans with Sukhbaatar (commander) and Choibalsan (commissar) in 1921. I profoundly doubt all of them lived to get these badges (in the 1940s?), as Choibalsan had had his own special version of purges. Once again, we need to know much more . . . !

May we now guess:

(A 20a/M 4.1) -- Type 1 (screwback ? ~800 awarded); Low = 158, High = 788; 1945-71

(A 20b/M 4.2) -- Type 2 (pinback - ~1000 awarded); Low = 835, High = 2006; 1971-2002

Type 3.1 (coarse manufacture, numbered??); Low = ??, High = ??; 2002-??

Type 3.2 (coarse manufacture, unnumbered -- or merely unissued?); 2002?

So . . . are we tentatively looking at something like this?

(J 04) -- Type 1 (medium blue sky)

(J 04b) -- Type 2.1 (light blue sky, no enamel on leaves to right)

Type 2.2 (light blue sky, green enamel on leaves to right)

(J 10) -- Type 3 (different design entirely)

(How DOES J 10 fit in here?)

So . . . does this now mean something like this?

Type 1.1 (screwback, numbered); Low = ??/High = 37

Type 1.2 (pinback, numbered); Low = 4/High = 574

Type 1.3 (pinback, numbered, made of ?recycled? materials); Low = 77/High = 89

Type 2 (screwback, unnumbered)

A nice one, Gerd. And the Imperial Addicts talk about their "slippery slope" . . . !

By the emerging "working vocabulary", this would be a nice Type 3.3.

(A 31/M 12.1) -- Type 1 (Screwback; МОНДВОР mintmark; long oval design with two red banners, ~300 awarded); Low = 701, High = 792; 1936-39

(A 32.1/M 12.2) -- Type 2.1 (Screwback; upward-curved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom); Low = 57, High = 2831; 1940-41

(A 32.2/M 12.2) -- Type 2.2 (Screwback; downward-curved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN directly below screwpost); Low = 1151, High = 2789; 1941-??

(A 32.2/M 12.3) -- Type 3.1 (Screwback; Cyrillic; slightly concave reverse; SN at 7 o'clock); Low = 2, High = 6952; 19??-??

(A 32.2/M 12.3) -- Type 3.2 (Screwback; Cyrillic; flat reverse; SN directly below screwpost); Low = 5094, High = 9941; 19??-??

(A 32.2/M 12.3) -- Type 3.3 (Screwback; Cyrillic; flat reverse; SN at 6 o'clock); Low = 10007, High = 15000; 19??-70

(A 33.3/M 12.4) -- Type 4.1 (Pinback, silver); Low = 15074, High = 30409; 1970-2003

(A 33.4) -- Type 4.2 (pinback, bronze); Low = 31835, High = 39785; 2003?

(A 33.4) -- Type 4.3 (pinback, bronze, no serial number)

Subject to revision . . . .

Thanks, Ed!!!!! Very Nice indeed. Please let me know about the Tamgha-i-Khidmat (Military) / Medal of Service (Military). I'm still interested in it.

Doc

See above, in amazing detail . . . .

If you can stand any more, I shall add it later . . . .

There is, however, quite another medal out and about, the second (third?) design? And the ribbons shown here are reversed from what I have above (and what most sources show).

As hard as it is to get reliable published information on Indian medals after 1947 (so far), it is 10 to 20 times more difficult when it comes to Pakistan!

Sitara-i-Basalat / Star of Good Conduct

This is very confusing.

What I (think I) know (I think)

Sitara-i-Basalat and Tamgha-i-Basalat / Star of Good Conduct and Medal of Good Conduct

Awarded to all ranks of the Pakistani military for valor, courage, or devotion to duty while not in combat. Recipients of the award are entitled to use postnominal abbreviations as detailed below. The award was originally established as the Tamgha-i-Basalat, Class I and Class II. The name was later altered.

Established: No.F.40(3)/Pres/57 of 16 March 1957, by the President of Pakistan. Modified by ??? of ???.

Obverse: A circular medal (silver for first class and bronze for second class) with a narrow wreath around the outside margin, with the emblems of the three services: crossed swords and an anchor surmounted by a pair of wings and, above them, a star. The medal is suspended from an ornamental straight bar with the name of the decoration ?Sitara-i-Basalat? or ?Tamgha-i-Basalat,? depending on class and era of award. Tamgha-i-Basalat Class I awards have that inscription, while post-19?? awards have the new name on the silver medal.

Reverse: Blank for naming.

Ribbon: Differs by class, see below.

Awards: To understand the award better, a sample recipient would be Squadron Leader Muhammad Nasir Sar, who was awarded the Sirata-i-Basalat posthumously during the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War.

?Squadron Leader Muhammad Nasir Dar, a signals officer, achieved Shahadat as a result of a direct bomb hit on his place of work during war. He continued to work in spite of the heavy air raid and declined to take shelter. For his devotion to his work above and beyond the call of duty, he has been awarded the Sitara-i-Basalat.?

Outline:

first class ? silver medal ? ribbon dark blue, with light blue edges and red edge stripes:

-- Tamgha-i-Basalat, Class I (T.I.B. )

-- Sitara-i-Basalat (S.Bt.)

Tamgha-i-Basalat (T.I.B.[iI] or T.Bt) ? bronze medal ? ribbon light blue, with dark blue edges and red edge stripes

Below:

1- Sitara-i-Basalat / Star of Good Conduct - 2nd variety, S.Bt. (?) - named "PA-2634 Maj. Gen. Syed Ali Nawab HI (M), ptsc"

2- Tamgha-i-Basalat / Medal of Good Conduct - 1st variety, 2nd class, T.I.B. (II) or T.Bt. (?) - named "PA-3215 Maj. Ehsanul Haq Dar, Punjab."

The second variety is a 41-mm bronze faceted star with a five pointed star in the centre. The points of the star are enameled white with a star and crescent in the centre, also on a white background. It is suspended from a crimson ribbon with three white stripes by a tablet reading (in Urdu) "Tamgha-i-Khidmat".