Ed_Haynes

Shouldn't we call Type 2.2 rather Type 3? I agree it is also a pinback, but seeing that the metal content is definately different I would opt for Type 3. What do you guys think?

The minute I entered this, I started thinking as you do. Make it "Type 3" then!

I just obtained a A Choibalsan State Prize, only the 2nd one I have seen for sale.

Any Ideas as to how many there is???

Wish we knew. And a shame -- and a bit of a surprise -- that they weren't numbered, so there'll never be any hope of matching them up to their history.

Has anyone any of the later post-Choibalsan State Prize medals in captivity??

The only one of those Big Boys that I have in a group, but nice enough eye-candy, I think?

(And a happy St. P's Day to all! )

For cross-checking, and I think there are no new datspoints in what you have listed, but I need to check:

(A 21/M 5.1) -- THE ORDER OF MILITARY VALOR -- (small star, 3 maker?s marks, no s/n); (1926-31)

ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR (Baildaani gav'yaany ulaan tugiin odon) (Орден Боевого Красного Знамени) (1931-40)

(A 21.2/M 5.2) -- 1st award: Type 1 (large star, МОНДВОР, s/n No); Low = 188/High = 613

Type 2 (large star, МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР, s/n No); Low = 318/High = ??

(A 21.3) -- 2nd award (large star): Low = ??/High = ??

ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR (Baildaani gav'yaany ulaan tugiin odon) (Орден Боевого Красного Знамени) (1940-45)

(A 22.1?/M 6.1) -- 1st award: Type 1.1 (МОНДВОР mintmark; 3 rivets); Low = 110/High = ???Type 1.2 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 3 rivets); Low= 44/High=212

Type 1.3.1 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 4 rivets; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom); Low = 306/High = 2401Type 1.3.2 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 4 rivets; SN directly below screwpost); Low = 1240/High = 2581

(A 22.2)/M 6.2) -- 2nd award: Low = ??/High = ??

(A 22.3/M 6.3) -- 3rd award: Low = ??/High = ??

(A 22.4/M 6.4) -- 4th award: (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark placement unknown; 4 rivets); Low = 138/High = 150

ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR (Baildaani gav'yaany ulaan tugiin odon) (Орден Боевого Красного Знамени) (1945--)

(A 23.1?/M 7.1.1) -- 1st award: Type 1.1 (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost); Low = 50/High = 2789

Type 1.2 (as above, but with Cyrillic ?B? mintmartk); Low = ??/High = 1901

(A 24.1/M 7.2) -- Type 2.1 (Pinback 3 rivets; SN at 12 o'clock); Low = 3160/High = 4449

(A 24.1/M 7.2) -- Type 2.2 (Pinback 2 rivets; SN at 5 o'clock); Low = 4685/High = 5380

(A 24.2) -- Type 4 (pinback, bronze); Low = 5512/High = 5607

(A 23.2/M 7.1.2) -- 2nd award: Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost; Low = 12 /High = 398

(A 23.3/M 71.3) -- 3rd award: Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost; Low = 6/High = 200

(A 23.4/M 7.1.4) -- 4th award: Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost; Low = 10/

High = 86

Welcome to the #1 site on Mongolian awards! Good to see you here!!

What we have, to date, on the SB:

(A 20a/M 4.1) -- Type 1 (screwback ? ~1000 awarded); Low = 158 /High = 788; 1945-71

(A 20b/M 4.2) -- Type 2.1 (pinback - ~700 awarded); Low = 835/High = 2006; 1971-2002

Type 2.2 (unnumbered, coarse manufacture); 2002?

Is there an intermediate form between the last two?? Nasty low quality but numbered? Parallel to other orders??

My latest, type 2.1, #1726. Undocumented.

Yes, but the lower right clearly has dates above and below. Upper left image is too muddy to be sure about much - couild be Wound, Sangram, or 25th Anniv. The Wound Medal (now inexplicably renamed the "Parakram Padak") has a plain, rather elegant, chakra as the reverse. If (a bit IF) this has a group at the core, there'd be a Sangram Medal.

Not his, Nihang Sahib wears a random assembly:

Top: (probably) 25th Independence Anniversary Medal (maybe Sangram Medal?) / Raksha Medal 1965 ???

Bottom: 25th Independence Anniversary Medal; Samar Seva Sear 1965 or one of the 1971 (Poorvi/Paschimi) Stars / Samar Seva Sear 1965 or one of the 1971 (Poorvi/Paschimi) Stars; 25th Independence Anniversary Medal

He has gone for symmetry over wearing "his" group. Though it is distantly possible that there is a group here with duplicate anniversary gong?

Quite non-regulation, but very interesting.

Squinting at it from the edge, it does seem thus. Thanks for the collective diagnosis.

Almost a "NIB", but more a variant of B 09, Deputy of the County and Towns Council. The normal variety is on top, with an odd "green" badge below. A verirty of just an error?

But NEITHER matches Dr. B's example!

Two more "academic NIBs". Is there no end to these??

This is very likely, the "MV3" symbol you find on the inside pages (in large yellow letters) is the actual abbreviation of the Labour (Trade) Union, you'll find it also on the union's badges (cfr Dr B: X21-21)

Jan

Thanks, Jan, for confirming my guess. Now, to read the text, . . .

A "NIB" for the 30th Anniversary of Khalkhin Gol. A cute little thing, the medal is just 21 mm. The reverse is plain.

Normally, the order should be the one mentionned in the order booklets, that is to say:

1 Sukhbaatar

2 Order of the Red Combat Banner

3 Order of the Red Banner of Labour

4 Combat Service Order

5 Order of the Polar Star

6 Combat Service Medal

7 Honorary Labour Medal

Yes, but beyond that? And I am wary of using the word "normal" to refer to Mongolian actual practices.

The interior of the book seems to list her monthly payment of (union?) dues, through April 1984, when she would have been 75 years old.

A "face of the Mongolian revolution"; as I read the book, she would have been 63 years old when this book was issued in November 1972.

Inside . . .

Technically not an award document, this has been descriped as a labor union membership book. This remains to be proven.

Maybe not a "group", but since it is probably her "full entitlement":

Order of Mother Heroine, 2nd class - Type 1.2, #145118, awarded 1985

A shame the photo is gone

And of her 2nd class book.

We probably need to confront the detailed typology of these Mother Heroine awards some day?

The "juicy bits" of her 1st class award book.

A documented "Mommy" pair:

1st class - Type 1.2 - #16062 - awarded 1972

2nd class - Type 1.1 - #36905 - awarded 1964

And recto.

Wish we could read it. Will no one take up a collection to send poor little Ed to summer (language) camp?? My "conversational Mongolian" CD set is just not taking root among the remnant aging gray matter.

Inside, verso.

Not very interesting.