Ed_Haynes

Assume you have his on record already??

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6207

Most Gorkhas, of course, continue serving in the Indian Army.

Z 63V - Umnugobi Province

A variant of the badge shown by Battushig (his for a province champion from the southern desert). Almost a NIB?

Z 10V - Khuvsgul Province

A variant of the badge shown, from the exotic far northwest. As they have Lake Khuvsgul (Kh?vsg?l), they get to show a boat.

Z 54 - Umnugobi Province

And a cute little camel from the southern desert (where else?).

Z 04 - Bulgan Province

An earlier (pre-1960 animals) and better made badge from just northwest of Ulanbaatar.

While I am afraid there is an endless sky of these out there and that most are NIBs (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5914 for those), I thought we might post detailed scans of those which The Good Doctor has given in his "Z" range. I'd suggest that the identifications even of these published varieties should be considered tentative.

Z 15 - Uvurkhangai Province

A really low-quality badge from just southwest of Ulanbaatar.

Though this in aluminum (generously described) rather than the bronze (?) shows by Battushig.

An interesting documented pair of

1- Medal "50 Years of the Police of the MPR"

2- Medal "50 Years of the State Security of the MPR"

A couple of other specimens of the Best Sportsman Badge (B # W24a and W24b) have been shown above

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6043&st=7

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6043&st=8

to complete the set, here is a 1st class (W24a), 1963 doument. You have to wonder what it says.

Gandhi's campaign medals (South Africa and Natal) were returned to the British at the same time as he returned his Kaisar-i-Hind Medal 1st class. As the KiH was still "current" and was unnamed, it was reissued (you have to wonder where it is now?). His campaign medals were retained in the Ministry of Defence until they went on display in the Gandhi Memorial Museum in New Delhi (where they still are). The medals on display in the Nehru Memorial Museum in New Delhi are replicas. Efforts to study his medals in detail have been unsuccessful (no one could find the key to the display case) and I shall be making a major effort again this summer. (PS- Much of what has been published on the issue of Gandhi's medals is rubbish, by the way.)

The Badge of the Title of "People's" in the two varieties shown by Battushig (B # A 7.1 and A 7.2). These are, presumably, the post-1960 variety, as they use that coat of arms. There must have been a 1941-60 variety with the old arms? Is the silver-rayed variety the 1960-75 variety with the gilt-rayed badge being post-1975? Battushig is confusing on this. Neither is numbered. Are any?

The Institiute of Agriculture

B # R 62

The Institute of Economy

B # R 53

Had started a thread, but we already had one -- OOPS. Sorry.

It may just be that I am involved in education, but I find this bewildering series to be especially interesting. Most seem to be post-1960, as they have the post-1960 arms.

While we have discussed other education badges over at

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10225

I didn't include -- and don't think we should mix up -- the "school diamonds" into that thread.

They are sufficiently complex and confusiong that, althouty Battushig treats all "education and culture" badges in the same "R" category, we may get more analytical mileage by splitting them out?

Post here please, even though there will be many NIBs!

Party Institute

A variant of B# R 48?

Anybody else got any ALL Mongolian ribbon bars for comparison?

I show a couple over on the "groups" thread, see:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5226

Something new. Something?

Assumed someone may want to see the backside -- er, reverse -- of the ribbon bar.

Is it or isn't it? Who knows. No documents. Pretty anyway. I view it as no more than "a sum of its parts", but . . . .

1- Order of the Red Banner of Combat Valor (type 1, #1901); Order of Combat Valor (type 2.1, #6637); Honorary Medal of Combat (type 2.1, #13664); Medal 40 Years of the MPR (#37346)

2- Medal 50 Years of the MPR; Medal 60 Years of the Mongolian People's Revolution; Medal 40 Years of the Victory at Khalkhin Gol; Medal 30th Anniversary of the Victory over the Militaristic Japanese

3- Medal 50 Years of the Mongolian People's Army; Medal 60 Years of the Armed Forces of the MPR

Rather than add on to

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2430

which, while it started with ribbon bars, evolved into one of our first "miscellaneous Mongol" threads, I thought a new thread just focused on ribbon bars would be appropriate.

Here is a new and very strange one. Plastic and aluminum with what seem to be assembled-from-paper "ribbons" encased under the heavily-domed and very curved ribbon assembly (so it won't scan well). In some ways, it almost has a "DDR" feel to it. Very light, very "plastic".

Even by Mongolian standards, odd.

Tentatively:

1- Honorary Medal of Combat; Medal 50 Years of the Mongolian People's Revolution; Medal 30th Anniversary of the Victory Over Militaristic Japan

2- Medal 60 Years of the Mongolian People's Republic; Medal 60 Years of the Armed Forces of the MPR; Medal 50 Years of the Mongolian People's Army (?)

3- Medal 70 Years of the Mongolian People's Revolution (?)

Thanks, Gerd. I wish I had the brain cells left to learn Russian, for I am sure that going through the various autobiographies and reports in the file could fill in some interesting gaps in the story, but what you have given here helps tremendously in establishing the context.

Research . . . research . . . research.

Oh . . . that's your middle name . . .

Ed,

Does your question concern the fact that someone not being a member could have access to the Forum and read the posts?

Well, if that is what your question, I believe that unfortunatelly the Forum is not closed and anyone not being a member can have access to any post here and read whatever is said

Not like the SA Forum, where guests can not enter the Forum and only have access to the Home page.

And I say unfortunatelly because I agree 100% with Dave, that some information should be kept confidential or eventually only shared by email or PM, between trustworthy members.

Sadly some people have a tendency to talk too much...

Maybe the KGB isn't out there anymore but there are others...

Dolf:

My concern is very simple: That the information that is shared on the forum is open and accessible to all and sundry, but not only to those that have a legitimate interest and involvement. All ain't "gentlemen" who visit here. That is a legitimate choice by the forum administrator. At least we are not like other fora -- not to be named here -- where the forum administrators dwell in the deep clinical delusion that they own everything posted on the (their?) forum and have thereby the implicit right to steal our original work. Nevertheless, the images and research that are posted here are things which we (the creators of this research and knowledge) may not wish to be shared with every Google spider and information thief who strolls through. (See my signature, though it is commonly ignored.)

I find your mention of the SAGongs site to be odd, at best. And I am not sure I totally appreciate your reference. I do restrict this site (subject to a simple sign-up procedure) so that casual users and internet-trolling spiders cannot gain access. I do not require payment or any ideological litmus test to gain access, merely a simple subscription procedure -- without illegible code-boxes. Frankly, I and others on the SAGongs forum have posted enough original research there -- pending eventual publication -- there that we'd rather it not be stolen by eBrigands. Maybe it is just that I have just gone through (though nether case is "resolved" in any sense) two major episodes of flagrant intellectual property theft with a major phaleristic journal that it servesto make me sensitive (OK, maybe over-sensitive?) to such shameless theft. Likewise, I shall never again post on at least two of the major phaleristic fora simply because the "prentitious owners" think they own everything posted there.

You are certainby invited, any time you wish, to sign up for the SAGongs forum for a single visit and never return; it costs me (and you) no more and no less to pay for the forum software and website (close on to $500 per year) whether you visit only once or fifty times per day.

Having seen my original professionally done primary-source-based research stolen, twice, yes, I am sensitive. When it happens to you, you may well understand.

Moreover, in the present case, I am mainly intensely concerned with the potential legal issues that may arise for a good friend of us all in circumstances that are, at best, legally ambiguous. We owe him at least that simple common courtesy of shelter, do we not?

Any questions, I shall happily deal with off-list, by PM.

Ed

But this is , sorry.

Should we be having this discussion? This forum is NOT closed??

Thanks, Rick.

Much appreciated, every word of it.

There is more (autobiographies, fitness reports, etc., etc.), which I'll be happy to post, even at the risk of exhausting jolly forum cooperation, but let me close with the image from his file.