Ed_Haynes

The WWI naming question is complex and will have to await access to the mint records in Calcutta (or, maybe, Karachi - a long story here).

But I think part of your question is easy to address. While the 1/33rd was old (raised in 1857; by WWI it was 2 companies of Punjabi Muslims, 1 of Pathans, and 1 of Sikhs), the 2/33rd was only raised at Rawalpindi in January 1918 (2 companies of Punjabi Muslims, 1 of Sikhs, 1/2 of Dogras, and 1/2 of Pathans).

I doubt the 2/33rd came along early enough to get any WWI medals, so any medal entitlement to the 33rd Punjabis would almost certainly be the 1/33rd.

Your "Malook" is almost surely from the Pathan company.

Documents to come.

But an image of the man (and I see at least two things that have gone walkabout from the group ).

Closeups of anything on request.

Badges

I hate to admit how clueless I am on these, even the first two that I (think I) know.

Medals part 4

The last two are on incorrect ribbons.

Next-to-last - Bulgaria: Medal "30th Anniversary of Victory over Fascist Germany"

Last - ??? (Bulgarian too?)

Medals part 3

Medals part 2-

Red Banner only numbered - 537880

Part 1 of his medals.

1- 26471

2- 495752

3- 409128

4- 3114365

5- 2618

Very impressive, very lovely. Thank you!

As I mentioned on the other thread, this "group" smells fake.

I'd agree with Paul, I'd guess that this is 99% sure a fake/assembly/fraud group.

Oh, yes, those Helpful Northern Friends were given the Khalkhin Gol Badge/Medal as well . . . .

See:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5489&st=10

Thank you for these.

Or . . . .

(Battushig, p. 60)

Or . . . [he looks familiar?] . . . .

(Battiushig, p. 40)

Or, failing that,

Hero of Mongolia Colonel D. Nyantaisuren

(Battushig, p. 30)

Does Tsedenbal count? Here shown with his "better half". (Those of you who ever think of mail-order Russian brides, consider this photo.)

(Battushig, p. 21)

Choibalsan and (a very young) Tsedenbal.

(Source: Paula L. W. Sabloff, ed., Modern Mongolia: Reclaiming Ghengis Khan, p. 46.

Veteran.

(Source: Paula L. W. Sabloff, ed., Modern Mongolia: Reclaiming Ghengis Khan, p. 70.

Female veteran.

(Source: Paula L. W. Sabloff, ed., Modern Mongolia: Reclaiming Ghengis Khan. p. 101.

Hi Terry,

Angolia writes, ''it is assumed that the intended ribbon was to bear the red, black and white national colours of Germany'.

What is his source for this?

Please help a novice understand. What is the correct term for this one: "non-sanctioned", "prototype", or "fantasy"? What exidence (archival, not gun-show rumor) is there for this one?

This is the Medal "We Won", in essence the WWII victory medal.

It comes in two types:

Type 1 (thick); Low = 111/High = 40734

Type 2 (thin); Low = 50993/High = 51592

This looks like a good type 1 to me. Rarely have Mongolian awards been reported faked (so far).

The Druze are a mostly-Muslim sect/ethnic group of Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and Israel. Generally, their history has been similar to that of many marginal communities: survivors. They have made their political peace with anyone and everyone who held any degree of power in the region: in other words, they collaborated with all and kept their heads down. While I have never seen evidence of their cooperating with the British in the region in WWII, it wouldn't surprise me. They were indeed very "tight" with France (Vichy) as well. Whoever had the cash to pay, . . . .

Oh . . . nice! Thanks for posting, gor.